Replaced my failed gas water heater with a much more efficient Rheem hybrid electric with WiFi, its quiet heat pump is also dehumidifying and cooling my basement

Posted by Paul Braren on Jun 23 2019 (updated on Aug 22 2023) in
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    Image from Palo Alto Online, click/tap to view the excellent source article.

    December 2022 Update - For folks buying one of the more recent models that are unfortunately quite a bit louder than my 2019 unit's 49dB specification (which I verified in my video below), I have a very helpful article for you that includes a potential fix:

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    This happened to me! I bought a new Rheem hybrid water heater for the home I moved into in October of 2022, and sadly, it was much noisier than my original unit. I called in to the noise hotline, and they sent us the wrong part initially (rubber feet). The next call got us a new fan sent over at no cost, but it required surgery for my HVAC guys to install it. Unfortunately, well into the surgery, we discovered it was exactly the same model fan! Thus, it made no difference in noise levels. Fed up, my contractor offered to swap out the entire unit out for a State PREMIER® AL SMART HYBRID ELECTRIC HEAT PUMP 50-GALLON WATER HEATER Model # HPSX-50-DHPT, which has been a lot quieter. It makes my basement space much more livable now, and measures very close to the Specification Sheet's 45dB. I'm hoping that Rheem has since resolved this multi-year excessive noise issue, but I don't know for sure. I've moved on. I do have some dB measurements before and after the Rheem was swapped out, and I believe the drop was something like 6dB and 8dB, I can dig through my photo and video library to find out. Please leave a comment if you're interested.

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    As of June 27 2023, this article has 34,995 pageviews by 30,463 visitors. Wow, apparently, there is a lot of interest in hybrid water heaters, and that interest has been sustained over a very long period of time. I find this very encouraging, and I'm very grateful for your readership.

    May 16 2022 Update - What a nice surprise, this article turned out to be far more popular than I ever could have guessed, and at 123 comments, it may be the most comments-per-article I've ever had after almost 11 years creating 1,154 technical articles! A few of the 54,302 viewers of my Close look at water leak detection & noise levels of Rheem Prestige Professional Hybrid Water Heater video have commented that indicate newer Rheem models may be significantly noisier that my 2019 unit, something I'm checking into. It's important that you consider choosing a higher temperature than the factory default of 120°F / 49°C, see reasons why. See also many more May 16 2022 updates below that includes ~3 years of operational cost estimates for my 2.5 person household.

    Article as it originally appeared below with a lot of new information appended below it, including newer Rheem models. Richmond and Ruud now sell nearly identical products too.


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    Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Residential Energy Consumption Survey 2015 "Space heating and water heating account for nearly two thirds of U.S. home energy use"

    I've written many articles about various ways I've been trying to reduce my family's electric bills and carbon footprint. For many households in the US, water heaters are one of the top 3 energy consumers in their home, right behind heat and air conditioning for monthly utility costs. It makes a lot of financial sense to consider the total cost of ownership, even if the initial price tag is higher. I was quite relieved I found a solution for my family that is both efficient and affordable. Only time will tell for sure whether it turns out to be reliable, but the tech has been around since at least 2010, with WiFi added in 2017.

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    Yes, this article is about a WiFi connected "Smart" water heater. Shopping for a replacement for the oft-maligned failed water heater every dozen or so years when the warranty has expired isn't fun. The wait aggravates all household members until it's fixed, but the costs associated with an inefficient unit purchased in haste go on for years.

    Four days ago, I noticed our shower's hot water valve needed to be cranked further than usual, and I knew that was a bad sign. I immediately suspected a failed water heater tank, but I also knew any associated flooding couldn't be that bad. I have recently installed a Ring Alarm Flood & Freeze detector near my passively drained sump pump hole, and it hadn't alarmed. Even if that alarm had failed to signal, those 50 gallons of water would drain out that hole anyway before doing any real damage to the unfinished portion of my concrete-slab basement.

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    Rusty wet puddle under the water heater was not a good sign.

    Sure enough, what was waiting for me in our basement was a puddle of rusty water below our 12 year old guilty looking water heater. It was last replaced by Connecticut Natural Gas in May of 2007, and our house was built in 1994, so we seem to have a pattern of 12 to 13 years between heater failures. Maybe I should have listened better when I was reminded by family a few months ago that my water heat was due for replacement soon, if I wanted to avoid the trouble of a leak when it invariably fails.

    This time, I was eager to go with a far more efficient solution, with less emissions too if possible. Despite the rush to find a solution, I really wanted to be sure I'd be comfortable with my choice long-term. What I quickly discovered was a deep rabbit hole filled with endless dead-ends and out of stock items. Poking around Home Depot and Lowes for local inventory didn't go well, with all the efficient gas models being special order which would take over a week. That kind of wait wasn't going to go over well with family.

    Do I really want another natural gas water heater

    I started looking at efficient units with low CO (Carbon Monoxide) and low NOx (Nitrous Oxide). Good luck finding ultra efficient models in stock, at least outside of California. If I was going to go with gas again, I'd still be spewing pollution right into my local neighborhood. Spent hours searching anyway, and came up empty. I'm not a contractor, which complicates things because you can't easily check inventory at local plumbing and HVAC supply houses. Unless...

    What about tankless

    The installation labor and cost is considerably more for any tank-less system. I really wanted to see if I could retire my dehumidifier too. By the way, tankless doesn't mean instant, the hot water still has to travel through the pipes, wasting the cold water ahead of it. Instant requires a recirculating pump, not another point of failure we're particularly interested. Anyhow, the cost, and the many hours of labor to try to schedule such an extensive retrofit were not appealing. Next.

    What about a hybrid

    Having family in the HVAC business has its perks, and I gave my brother-in-law a call. I was told I should consider a hybrid model that uses a heat pump instead of traditionally energy-thirsty heating elements, and encouraged to do a little research on the various models. He also mentioned a side benefit of extracting heat from the ambient air in the unfinished area of my basement would be moisture removal, emitting only clean and cooler exhaust. This got my attention, as I checked in on the energy consumption of my dehumidifier using my Sense Energy Monitor, which pegged my annual consumption at around $110 per year. Wow. It's only running on a timer for 2 hours in the middle of the night from June to August. And it blows out hot air, in the summer. Sure would be nice to retire that bill. You can read all about the different types of water heaters at Consumer Reports.

    Even in winter, this room where my furnace and heater are located is too warm, so it's unlikely I'll have any need to duct this air outside my home, given how infrequently the heater will be needed since this room never dips below 65°F anyway, even in the winter. More likely would be for me simply switch my unit to its electric element heating mode if necessary, which could double the energy use, but would avoid the dehumidification and cooling effects of heat pump.

    Your installation situation will vary from mine, please ask your installer for details.

    Why WiFi

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    Screenshot of Rheem mobile app, 5 days after installation.

    Personally, I would have preferred an ethernet connection, but WiFi signal is plenty strong enough in my basement too, thanks to my eero. The idea is that you can change modes for your water heater anywhere at any time using the Rheem app, as well as keep an eye on your actual energy usage in kWh. You'll need to calculate what that means in dollars for yourself, since it depends on your local electric utility company's rates and schedules.

    Anything WiFi and running an embedded OS is a very real security vulnerability. So is the data it emits, as it's cloud connected. I put mine on the guest WiFi, since it has no need to be on my primary WiFi network, and this mitigates the risk somewhat.

    It is convenient to be able to change to a less efficient mode when guests are coming over, for example. I left mine on on Heat Pump mode for now and I'll probably leave it there, unless I run into issues when family visits. You can read about the various modes in the manual here, in the Rheem video, and at Energy Star's How it Works - Heat Pump Water Heaters.

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    Quick tip - when done with the initial power-up that includes joining your WiFi network using the app, don't tap on 'setup complete' on the LCD, instead, use the left arrow.

    You can also read all about Rheem's EcoNet, with iOS and Android mobile apps, and you can read all about this product line at Rheem on the Hybrid Electric Water Heaters page.

    Being a cloud connected device via EcoNet allows integrations such as Alexa skills and Works with Nest.

    $110 Estimated Yearly Energy Cost?

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    My current annual cost of running my dehumidifier in the summer is around $119.

    Interesting. I could have a zero dollar gas bill during the summer, and heat the water in my house for roughly the same amount as I was paying before just for dehumidification. My hybrid electric heater has only been operation for 2 days when first publishing this article, but so far, my basement seems quite comfortable, and it was pretty hot and humid these past 2 days. I'll need more days and more time to really know for sure. Also worth noting that my TinkerTry lab workbench/recording studio is down there in my basement about 25' away from this unit, and I don't have any air conditioning on that level of our hose. So cooler and less humid air sure sounds good to me, as well as keeping things quiet. By the way, these systems are Energy Factor (EF) of 3.5, seen here.

    No gas bills in the summer?

    I have a furnace that is gas powered, but it's completely off (other than the pilot light) from May to September. Now I'll enjoy some summer months of near-zero charges from Connecticut Natural Gas, furthering my savings by going hybrid electric for water heat.

    Prerequisites for hybrid electric water heaters

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    You really need to have several of these circumstances to be eligible for installing such a hybrid water heater:

    1. large enough area for the installation, at least 10' x 10' x 7' high / 700 square feet
    2. a convenient way for the condensate (water) to be drained out of the home
    3. a willingness to rinse the air intake filter every few months
    4. ambient air temperatures between 37°F and 145°F
    5. for much faster recovery time between showers, a 30 amp / 240V dedicated circuit is recommended, but 15 amp variants are available
    6. PEX or flexible plumbing when joining existing copper lines, to avoid transmission of (small) vibration

    See also many more details from energy.gov, including energy savings and payback calculations.

    Home Depot just started stocking these units on June 21 of 2019, which is good for those with the DIY skills. If you're replacing a natural gas system, remember, the gas line and flue vent must be capped, and that should be done by a professional, which is the route I went.

    These Rheem units have been available to consumers via special order since the product line was launched back in 2017. But it's the only such unit with a very reasonable 49dB noise level, as seen on the comparison table (from 2017) here. It also has the advantage of begging readily available to many local HVAC & plumbing contractors at supply houses, with my brother-in-law finding my Rheem PROPH50 T2 RH350 DCB here at Sid Harvey Industries, Inc. in nearby Hartford CT.

    Rheem's contractor locator is found here.

    There's the consumer model, and there's the professional model for contractors

    I contacted Rheem customer service by phone. The representative was helpful, and confirmed that the specifications are the same for each unit, they just come with different packaging and emblems. The specs listed and shown below seem to confirm this, with identical shipping weights as well.

    Price - $549 after rebate!

    At Home Depot, the unit is $1299 - $750 rebate = $549 (plus install/parts), your state rebates will vary, see also energy star utility partner list.

    In Connecticut, turns out $750 rebates were available for either the consumer or the professional versions of the same product. A rather nice perk for the professional version, but only in the 50 gallon capacity. That's right, no rebate for the 65 or 80 gallon versions. So we chose the 50 gallon professional version available to contractors only. Installation parts & labor cost extra, of course.

    At Home Depot, the consumer version is currently $1,299.00, and it just became a stocked item this week, which my local Berlin CT store confirmed. This is good, as long as folks notice the $750 Energize Connecticut rebate slip, but I'd need to wait for a bit to get my check. We decided to go with my HVAC contractor picking it up and installing it instead. So far, so good!

    Specs and Manuals

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    Here's the Rheem product page:

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    Notice the difference in the recovery time for the 15 amp versus the 30 amp models.

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    Notice the difference in the recovery time for the 15 amp versus the 30 amp model I went with.

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    Here's Home Depot's order and local inventory checker page:

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    Here's Home Depot's order and local inventory checker page:

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    If you found this article and choose to buy online, please consider using these Amazon Associate links. Consider signing up for Amazon Prime if you haven't already, since the free shipping will really help on these units that range between 218 and 244 pounds of shipping weight:

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    My contractor bought the PROPH50 T2 RH350 D for me at the after $750 CT rebate price, which is a pretty awesome.

    Rheem's contractor locator is found here, they get any eligible rebates when buying, registering, and installing the unit for you.

    Parts needed for my install

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    Some of what I needed to complete the installation.

    Of course, your needs will vary, have your professional installer take care of this. Here's just some of the parts:

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    Video

    Paul Braren - Jun 25 2019 - Close look at water leak detection & noise levels of Rheem Prestige Professional Hybrid Water Heater
    Rheem - Aug 28 2018 - How it Works: Rheem Prestige Series Hybrid Heat Pump Water Heaters
    Matt Risinger - Jul 06 2018 - $1500 Heat Pump Water Heater - Worth it?
    Matt Risinger - Apr 20 2018 - Water Heater Tank Autopsy: You won’t believe what’s inside!
    Matt Risinger - Jan 19 2017 - 2017 Rheem Hybrid Electric Water Heater - Whats new from the International Builder Show

    I've cued the video to start at the spot where Nate discusses hybrid electric water heaters. Note that he also recommends 140°F too, but to also have a mixing valve installed that'll bring that highest temperature at your taps down to a safer level, especially for households with children

    Nate the House Whisperer - Oct 11 2021 - Electrify Everything Course Everything BUT HVAC

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    Here's my lightweight, buoyant foam cover for my sump pump hole, to reduce evaporation, but still allow flood water to escape, hopefully avoiding any chance of my basement filling with more than just a little water. I also have a Ring Flood & Freeze Sensor and an Ecobee remote occupancy and temperature sensor nearby, just to keep tabs on things. The Ring monitor came in handy within a day of installing it, since my back door hatch was left open in the dead of winter, so it warned me of low temperatures and preventing me from freezing pipes. Oops, that was close!
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    Jun 25 2019 Update

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    After a lot of humidity and heat outdoors yesterday and today, the basement is staying quite comfortable, this is good.

    With some more days of data now under our belt, guestimating what our energy use will be per month is easier, at least for summertime. We're at 13.41 kWh after 5 days of time. So multiplying by 6 to estimate what 30 days would cost equals roughly 80 kWh per month.

    So I take my last Eversource bill, and take the total dollar amount of the bill and divide it by the number of kWh used, and I get $0.19, meaning, 19 cents per kWh.

    Now multiplying 80 kWh per month by $0.19 = $15.00 dollars per month. That's $180 per year for hot water for my sinks and shower, and for dehumidification of my basement. Awesome! Pretty much what the yellow ENERGYGUIDE sticker claims (pictured above) of $110 per year, if my electric rate was 12 cents per kWh.

    When signing up for an EcoNet account, they only asked for my zip code.

    Today, my installer also registered my system with Rheem under my name and address, presumably for warranty coverage and/or recall notifications.

    Looking at my wifi status menu, I see I'm currently at:
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    WiFi Module SW Version - 14.76.36.p103

    Looking at my service menu, I see I'm currently at:
    Software Version Number: WH-HPW4-H3-01-27
    as seen in my video above.


    Jan 20 2020 Update

    If you are installing on a non-concrete surface, note that you'll want to get part number SP20883 Vibration Isolation Kit seen on page 4 here.

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    My cost for all of 2019.
    I used about 403.1 kWh in 2019 according to my EcoNet app. I installed the unit in late June. So let me just multiply by 2 to see how I come out as far as cost.

    Let's assume I see a 800 kWh usage for 2020. At 16 cents per kWh, that's about $120 of electricity cost for the whole year.

    I've also revisited my Sense Home Energy Monitoring to dive into my stats, to see if it agrees. I added a forum post here. It seems it reports only 201.6 kWh for all of 2019. Which is right, 403.1 or 201.6 kWh? I'd trust the Rheem app over the inferred readings of the Sense app, but still working on that.

    Note, commenter Amit Roy below:

    Called Rheem. They told me they are having issues with the app and it is not calculating energy usage correctly. They are working n getting it resolved. I am assuming that should affect anyone using the app. Have you noticed anything like that recently when you use the app? Thanks for your help.

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    Having installed my new Rheem Water heater in June, this graph makes sense. The November data doesn't make too much sense, dropping below 0 kWh. For December, you can see the huge spike when the house was extra busy during Christmastime, and I turned the until to High Demand. After this analysis, I'll probably just stick with Automate Savings to avoid having to remember to do anything, and see if it keeps up.

    Rheem modes have changed

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    I've notice that both the RheemEcoNet and EcoNet apps have identical function, and both have changed the wording of the available modes. Heat Pump Only is no longer available, here's the current list:

    • Off
    • Automate Savings
    • Most Efficient
    • High Demand
    • Electric

    On page 18 of the manual, it shows these now obsolete options pictured belows. I haven't located a newer version of this documentation.

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    Jan 22 2020 Update

    TinkerTry Commenter Amit Roy left this comment below:

    Called Rheem. They told me they are having issues with the app and it is not calculating energy usage correctly. They are working n getting it resolved. I am assuming that should affect anyone using the app. Have you noticed anything like that recently when you use the app? Thanks for your help.

    If I hear back from Amit, I'll let you know.


    Mar 17 2020 Update

    Temperature

    I've been warned about the temperatures in comments section under my YouTube video:

    I see you have the temperature set at 120 but on the sensors screen the tank temperatures were a bit under that. You might want to double-check but I think Legionella bacteria growth stops at 122 degrees F. and it dies in the low 130s. I had recently checked my temperature (Spring 2019) at the tap and it was a sad 114. I had to boost it up a bit.
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    My reply mentions that I found this article that really details the situation here:

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    • Is it Safe To Turn Down Your Water Heater Temperature?
      Mar 10 2009 by Lloyd Alter at treehugger

      Almost every checklist of energy-saving tips includes the recommendation that you turn the temperature of your water heater down from 140°F (60°C) to 120°F(49°C), including on TreeHugger and Planet Green. Yet up in Canada if you look for recommendations, they will tell you not to set your heater below 140F, as it can become a sort of petri dish for Legionnaires Disease.

    The US Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) says:

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    Q. Can Legionnaires' disease be prevented?

    A. Yes. Avoiding water conditions that allow the organism to grow to high levels is the best means of prevention. Specific preventive steps include:

    • Regularly maintain and clean cooling towers and evaporative condensers to prevent growth of LDB. This should include twice-yearly cleaning and periodic use of chlorine or other effective biocide.
    • Maintain domestic water heaters at 60°C (140°F). The temperature of the water should be 50°C (122°F) or higher at the faucet.
      ...

    Power

    Great information in this comment below:

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    Somewhat shockingly, I got a to-the-point technical answer from Rheem customer service, so I thought I'd share it in case someone else is looking. This doesn't provide the startup current, but it's a big help.

    Thank you for contacting Rheem. The power consumption of the unit in each mode are as follows:

    Heat Pump Only uses 432 Watts

    Energy Saver Mode uses 5432 Watts

    High Demand Mode uses 5432 Watts

    Electric Only Mode uses 5000 watts.

    These numbers are the maximum amount of power the unit could be using at any time on the unit. While working in Energy Saver Mode and High Demand Mode, the elements will not be powered on the entire time and will switch off at different temperatures to ensure the most efficient operation as possible.


    Mar 18 2020

    Found this video, for folks suffering from a sulpher smell in their hot water only. It's a way to get a new anode rod in there that is electrified, but note, it will void your warranty.

    Chris Steinmeyer - Dec 15 2019 - Rheem Hybrid Electric Water Heater Anode Rod Replacement

    Mar 24 2020

    The topic of UV water treatment has come up, see discussion here.

    It also triggered me to recall that I hadn't really mentioned vacation mode. Yes, I'm no longer going to be using vacation mode. With stay-in-place rules hitting Connecticut yesterday, this won't be an issue anytime soon anyway.

    Yesterday, during a bit of snow, my power went out for several minutes. This had me recalling I'm glad I had a manual generator transfer switch installed recently, in case I was going to have to drag out my ETQ generator. Given I'm probably not a fan of leaving my hot water tank in a cold stagnant state, I'll want to be sure my hot water heat circuit is energized when on generator. Just something to consider, in case you hadn't thought about it.

    Of course, I'd much rather have a Tesla Powerwall, something I wrote about way back in 2015.


    May 07 2020 Update

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    Click image to playback podcast.

    Just found a closely-related episode of the Energy Transition Show, note that you'll need to subscribe to hear the long version here:

    It features Dr. Paulina Jaramillo, Professor of Engineering and Public Policy and Co-Director of Green Design Institute at Carnegie Mellon. She discusses the challenges associated with energy transition with host Chris Nelder, and shares that she has already made the move to heat-pumps for her home's heating and cooling.

    In my tweet below, you'll see how I tie together Tesla's release of the Tesla Model Y Electric Vehicle featuring a heat pump for much improved efficiency in winter, and Elon's eagerness to leverage Tesla and SpaceX expertise in HVAC to enter the residential HVAC market. Why? Remember Tesla's mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. What better way than to disrupt the typically low-tech and inefficient way we currently heat and cool our homes, often emitting tons of carbon in the process.

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    May 12 2020 Update

    Lingyan Jiang - Apr 22 2020 - How does Tesla Model Y Heat Pump Work - working principles of the heat pump system and its octovalve

    Jun 22 2020 Update

    It's been a year since my Rheem installation, so I can see exactly how much electricity was used.

    • 939.86 kWh

    1 year cost to my household here in Connecticut, where I'm paying ~$0.17 (17 cents) per kWh, so I multiply, 939.86 kWh x 0.17 =

    • $159.78 - my home's 1 year total cost of operation of our Rheem water heater

    Remember, in early March 2020 my wife and I decided to go with a much higher temperature of 140°F, which naturally affected the cost for these past 4 months in the bar graph below. How much? Don't know.

    We also moved from Max Efficiency mode to Heat Pump Only mode around the same time, but I admit I'm not really sure what that does exactly to energy consumption.

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    What about my Sense Energy Monitor, what does it show? That doesn't seem to be working well, failing to detect most heating especially in 2020, unfortunately. It seems its machine learning algorithm isn't suited for this workload, and I've reported this to the team at Sense. We're an all-EV home now, but we experienced similar issues with Sense failing to reliably detect our Tesla Model 3s, whose charging profile often changes with each software change.

    Given the popularity of the Rheem, and the presumably low rate of change in their heating profile, I would hope it's likely they can get monitoring of the Rheem heat pump working, we'll have to wait and see.

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    Jun 29 2020 Update

    Thanks to this post in Sense Forums, I discovered there are 2 more Rebranded version of these Rheem products, from Richmond and from Ruud. While they each may look a little different cosmetically, they use the same EcoNet energy use monitoring feature, and seem to have identical or very nearly identical specs. This is great, as it should give consumers more choices of installation specialist in more locations.

    Richmond

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    Richmond YouTube Channel, Aug 28 2018 - How it Works: The Encore Series Hybrid Electric Water Heater

    Ruud

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    • Ruud NEW! Professional Ultra Series: Hybrid Electric Water Heater With LeakGuard

      Integrated EcoNet® WiFi-connected technology and free mobile app gives users control over water heater, allowing for customizable temperature, vacation settings, energy savings and system monitoring at home or away.

      Savings - The next-generation Ruud® Ultra™ Hybrid Electric Water Heater delivers savings when you buy—in the form of a $300 federal tax credit and nationwide utility rebates up to $1,0001—and up to $480 per year in energy cost savings.

    Ruud Heating, Cooling & Water Heating YouTube Channel, May 6 2020 - Ruud® Ultra™ Hybrid Electric Water Heater

    Jul 10 2020 Update

    Rheem's new version is called Rheem® ProTerra™ Hybrid Electric Water Heater with LeakGuard™ , in Performance Platinum and Professional Prestige variants.

    It appears they've added some very nice features while keeping the prices about the same, including

    • indication that shower you're about to take will have hot water for the duration
    • automatic shut-off added to the leak detection/alarming feature of last year's model
    • health monitoring of the heater and compressor elements

    In their video, they mention something about Federal Rebates, not something I've looked into previously, not until now, details at Energy Star here:

    Electric Heat Pump Water Heater
    Most ENERGY STAR certified water heaters meet the requirements of this tax credit. Water heaters account for 12% of the energy consumed in your home.

    Tax Credit Amount: $300

    Requirements
    Uniform Energy Factor (UEF) >= 2.2
    See definitions.

    More Information

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    Jul 18 2020 Update

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    I talked about this water heater for a bit on this recent podcast appearance, check it out!


    Jul 30 2020 Update

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    Monitor the health of the compressor and elements
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    If it detects a water leak, large or small, internal or external, it shuts off incoming water

    Oct 07 2020 Update

    Updated Google Analytics information prepended above.


    Jan 28 2021 Update

    Seems drain pans are the way to go, see this excellent, helpful comment under my video:

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    1 month ago
    This was a great presentation. It was the ONLY information that let me know exactly how the leaksense and leakguard worked. It was also the only information that helped me figure out why from initial power on I was getting constant false positive leak detects. The manual says NOTHING about requiring a drain pan for my particular model. I can only assume the red perimeter leak sense rope is picking up moisture from the concrete slab. This is not cool because now I will have to drain and disconnect the unit just to install a pan which I'm not even sure will solve the issue.

    I've now added this excellent video overview of the newer ProTerra models below.

    Jun 12 2020 - Efficiency Vermont for Trade Partners - Rheem 5th generation ProTerra training
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    Screenshot from the "Efficiency Vermont for Trade Partners - Rheem 5th generation ProTerra training" video.

    Feb 13 2021 Update

    To my amazement, this single article now has 100 comments, this is truly remarkable as this topic isn't exactly my usual IT related fare, and I honestly thought I was a bit crazy diving so deep and spending so many hours on documenting my water heater installation and ownership experience. I had no idea this many folks are looking to move away from fossil fuels to electrify their homes, and it makes me hopeful that momentum is building toward electrification, as society moves steadily toward more sustainable energy.

    Heat pump technology is the common theme of my twitter thread, where you'll see me go on and on about my optimism for the future of water heaters, residential HVAC, and transportation, just click the image below for details, even better, reply with a tweet and/or leave a comment below!

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    Jun 10 2021 Update

    There's a great conversation going on below my Rheem sound measurement video, here's an excerpt:

    Alan Waterman
    2 weeks ago (edited)
    For those of you who are confused about why some of these are reported as quiet and some are loud, Rheem made some significant changes to the product last year resulting in a product that is widely reported to be 65 to 69 dbm. The changed product is the 5th generation. You can tell the difference one way by noting if you have the integrated duct collars or not. The 4th gen product has duct collars that allow you to attach the ducting directly to the units. The reviewed unit in this video is a 4th gen unit that have the intake and exhaust collars. The 5th gen unit requires the duct adapters that you have to purchase separately for between $125 and $150 each and are often hard to get. They also reduce the clearance a small amount which can be problematic for standard 30 x 30 water heater closets. The exhausts adapter puts the collar attachment point further away from the unit removing clearance.

    There is a full discussion here as well as other threads on the internet:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Plumbing/comments/m0qmym/rheem_professional_prestige_proterra_hybrid/

    I was all set to by and install this product but the water heater closet, which is outside, shares a wall with my daughters bedroom and I couldn't introduce a noisy appliance right next to her room. I'm hopeful that the product can be fixed. I'd buy a 4th gen unit in a heartbeat if I could find one in stock. Rheem has been sending retrofit blower kits out that claim to bring the noise level down to 59 dbm but this is still many times louder than 49 dbm.

    Arin Pounov
    1 week ago
    This is so helpful, thank you! I could not figure out why some reviewers were so adamant about noise and some didn't mention it at all (though some more recent reviews still don't mention it).

    May 16 2022

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    As of May 16 2022, lifetime usage stats.

    It's been very nearly 3 years since my Rheem installation, and using Econet, I can see exactly how much electricity was used.

    • 3376.13 kWh

    1 year cost to my household here in Connecticut, where I'm paying ~$0.17 (17 cents) per kWh, so I multiply, 939.86 kWh x 0.17 =

    • $573.94 - my home's ~3 year total cost of operation of our Rheem water heater
    • $195 per year estimated (I'm currently at about 2 years and 11 months since install)

    This is admittedly higher than my initially inaccurate estimates that were based on me assuming my Sense Energy Monitor was more accurate than it turned out to be. It has trouble picking up on just my Rheem's energy use, which is understandable since it operates in high energy/fast recovery resistive heat mode or heat pump mode, depending upon how I set it up for when we have numerous guests over for a few days each year. The trick is to remember to go back to heat pump mode once they leave, something I've forgotten to do numerous times. I wish Rheem had a way to use the app to schedule after heating for just for a few days, returning to heat-pump-only operation automatically.

    Observations:

    • Last month, my electric rate went up nearly 20%, since a 3 year contract with a lower cost energy provider ran out, so my bills will go up a bit here forward.
    • In early March 2020 my wife and I decided to go with a much higher temperature of 140°F, which naturally affected the cost considerably.
    • We also moved from Max Efficiency mode to Heat Pump Only mode around the same time, but I admit I'm not really sure what that does exactly to energy consumption.
    • Over the 3 year period, on average, we had 2.5 adults living in our home, with each taking one shower a shower a day on average.
    • Above, I mentioned $0 per month gas bill in the summer wishes. I was wrong. I analyzed a few of my my summertime CNG (an AVANGRID company) bills, and we're charged on average ~$24-per-summer-month. Exactly $18 of that is for the "Customer Charge", and the rest for delivering on average in 4.00 CCF that I can only assume is for running the water boiler's pilot light, and hopefully insignificant leakage. It just dawned on me to revise my recurring May 1st and October 7th calendar reminders. I use these reminders to change my ecobee settings, which includes turning off my heating system, and now includes heading to my basement to turn off my pilot light in the spring, and re-light it in the fall. Lesson learned!
    • It's been 27 years since we moved into our new-construction house in April of 1995. We recently had a $245.45 gas bill for January 20 2022, likely due to the extra use of our basement which is our 3rd heating zone. We occupied that living space more than usual this December and January, so it makes sense. What small portion of this was to offset the extra cooling of the unfinished 400 square foot back area of our basement due to the heat pump water heater is impossible to calculate precisely. I don't have temperature monitoring in our basement back area, but I'd guess it has dropped about 4°F on average since installing our Rheem. That minor drawback becomes an advantage in the summer, especially for us, since we have no central AC ducts leading to our basement, and we don't have to run our costly and noisy dehumidifier for several hours each summer night, which used to make our then-humid basement even hotter in the summer.

    See also these excellent videos.

    Technology Connections - Why Heat Pumps are Immensely Important Right Now
    Undecided with Matt Ferrell - Is Geothermal Heating and Cooling Worth the Cost? Heat Pumps Explained

    Gladly, there are also many more great videos about heat pumps at

    and I find it quite reassuring to see an ever-increasing interest in this proven technology as a path toward a more sustainable future for both the home energy and transportation sectors.

    Buying this hybrid water heater was merely my first-step in eliminating the burning of fossil fuels in my home. It has motivated me to start looking into High Temperature Air Source Heat Pumps that can replace my 27 year old Natural Gas Furnace, used for my water based baseboard heating. I also have a 25 year old 2.5 ton single-stage Carrier central AC unit to replace, not sure yet what my best path forward will be. Stay tuned!


    May 25 2022

    A commenter below my dB measurement video found this April of 2020 document that indicates "Sound Level (dBA) of 49:
    https://rmc-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/media/uploads/iat/sites/36/2020/04/HP-350-5-RHEEM-GenV-hybrid_0403.pdf


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    I'm using this system to monitor for leaks:

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    Turns out this Rheem tank also has leak detection and alerting built in, seen pictured above.


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      Efficiency/Economy – Maximizes energy efficiency and savings by only using the heat pump to heat water
      Auto/Hybrid – The default setting is ideal for daily use, providing energy-efficient water heating with sustained heat
      Electric/Heater – This high-demand setting is the least energy-efficient, using only the electric element to heat water
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    Thank you for dropping this comment, sorry for my delayed response. I'm sorry, but since I removed my Rheem, I don't have a good first-hand answer for you. We moved away form Rheem mostly out of frustration and lack of assurance that swapping it out would be any quieter. The primary reason to try another brand was at least State was willing to keep a spec sheet that stated the lower dB rating. Al that aside, I'm glad Matt apparently did well with his Rheem purchased soon after ours, apparently without the noise problems many others have had.

    I did put 2 4x8' sheets of 1/4" MLV on the side of my house by the heat-pumps, to try to avoid some noise making its way into a bedroom nearby, and it seems to have helped a bit. Would it be enough to dampen a noisy compressor enough for you to be pleased, I'm just not sure.

    Matt Ferrell's video lead me here. Do you know if anyone tried the high density vinyl? I don't like that the utility room is colder in the winter but I see that it is also dryer and that is nice. I just hate the sound throughout the house and the way Rheem is (not) handling the issue.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGiNL9IT54&feature=youtu.be

    I can't thank you enough for writing in, and providing your experience to me directly. It's been a long road, with a great quiet Rheem in 2019, and bad (very loud) Rheem in Sep. 2022 when moving into our renovated home, and finally a State in late 2023 that was quieter, but the heat pump failed after a few months. I'm now about a year into the 2nd State unit, and it has gotten louder than the publish 45 dB level for sure, but it seems to have stabilized and not gotten worse. My 1500 sq. foot basement is is colder.
    See also Matt Ferrell's new video, which acknowledges some folks (like me) have had some noise issues.
    https://x.com/paulbraren/status/1765190021445767386

    The one I got it the first of the year is also very loud closer to 75 to 80 decibels upstairs. With the unit being installed downstairs.
    Anyone had any success with the high density vinyl? I did purchase it but I haven't had the time to try to install it. It's $300 so I hope it works. I want to make cut out so I can wrap around the entire top part of the unit and then also cut some pieces with cutouts for the air on top as well. It's interesting you can see inside the lid has like an eighth of an inch of this black rubber material that may be intended for sound ending. The stuff recommended in the blog is a quarter of an inch thick and they use three layers to get a 10 dB drop.
    It's unfortunate that they still have videos online showing installations in kitchen pantries with louvered doors and there's no way anyone would want a new unit like this anywhere near living space. They did offer to replace the unit with another one but everything I've seen online shows that it's going to be just as loud. They're only six over the last couple of years has been to remove the 49 dB specification from the data sheet.

    Good question! We have city water with no filter or softener, but perhaps we should have them. Recently we had our water tested, I should look into my results and what they mean more carefully, and what the long term impact to my water heater will likely be.

    Thank you!

    Quick question:

    Did you install a water filter and softener BEFORE installing the hot water tank? I was encouraged heavily doing this as apparently the water unfiltered take longer to heat up and the minerals in unfiltered water make the heater last less, and work harder to heat the water.

    We had our water system installed with our current garbage water heater and it does get hotter quicker and stays hotter longer but I still need to replace it to an 80 Gallon heater. I am just glad I got the water system before a new hot water tank.

    Something you may wanna look into.

    Every garage I have had has insulation. Might be code in some areas and not in others.

    Sorry I just now spotted this comment. I don't recall seeing any that let you do that, but it seems to gbe a good idea for some use cases, especially if children aren't around (burn risk), A way around that might be a hotter tank during solar production like you said, but a thermostatically controlled mixer valve that outputs the same temperature hot water regardless of how hot the water heater output temperature is.

    Hi, wondering if there are any smart heat pump water heaters that let you configure a different temperature for different times of day. I want to use solar to heat to a very high temperature during the day, then lower the thermostat when the sun is not shining. If all goes well, it would not use any electricity at all in the evening hours.

    Yes please. If you could just check it from time to time after using hot water that would be awesome. Thanks man

    Hmm, in 3 years of about 2.5 showers a day in my household, I only ran low on hot water once, when we had 6 people here for a few days in mid-winter. I had to go 50 gal, since bigger tanks wouldn't get me the $750 rebate. But I don't regret that, it's going well. I can't say I use the Econet very often, but I can try and have a look more often to see if my experience is anything like yours.

    Replaced my 50 Gal gas to Gen 5 Rheem 65 Gal due to sale and rebates. The issue I have is the EcoNet app is telling me that there is a 50-75% drop in hot water availability after rinsing dishes for 2 minutes. Had the unit for about 2 weeks now and haven't ran out of hot water, but we don't use that much? but those results are kind of concerning with also reading some of these comments.

    If anyone in Canada or a northern U.S. state owns one of these, could you post your yearly kwh usage. I'm wondering how the cold really affects the usage/cost. I'm specifically looking at a new Rheem 65 gallon, but anything comparable would be appriciated. Thanks!

    Such a well told story that will definitely help others in their shopping and installation research. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your detailed story with me and my readers, I really appreciate it!

    I had one installed a couple of days ago after my standard electric water heater developed a hole in the bottom of the tank. After reading everything about the noise with the latest generation, I was extremely skeptical about putting one in, as my hot water heater is in my crawlspace and is less than 10 ft away from my bed.

    I had it installed by a plumber, as Duke Energy requires installation by one of their participating contractors in order to collect a $350 rebate. With the rebate, I think it ended up costing me less than $300 to have it installed. Not bad to not have to deal with it.

    I had the PRO H50 T2RU310BM model installed with a manufacturing date of 12/2/21. I hadn't seen that model in my research. The datasheet I found on it (https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.supplyhouse.com/product_files/Ruud-PRO-H50-T2-RU310BM-Product-Overview.pdf) it indicates that it's a Ruud; however, the sticker on it shows that it's a Rheem.

    Taking a closer look at the datasheet, it's listed as being part of the builder model series, and the UEF rating is slightly less than the other Rheem models. 3.5 vs 3.75. It also doesn't have a touchscreen control on it...just a few buttons with a screen that indicates the temperature and selected mode. It still, of course, has EcoNet/Wi-Fi.

    This model doesn't have LeakGuard--the model with LeakGuard was on backorder, but that's alright for me, as I also had purchased a Phyn Plus a few months back when it was on sale at Costco. I had the plumber install at the same time. I also put one of the Phyn leak sensors directly in the drain pain along with it.

    In terms of noise, it's right about 49-50 dB from 3 ft away. Most of that noise seems to be coming from the fan, as opposed to the compressor. Unfortunately, I can hear it fairly well in the house when it's running...mostly within about 3-4 feet of where it's located, and I can still hear it when I'm laying in bed nearly 10 ft away. As mentioned, it's mainly the fan, so it's not an awful compressor hum, but a droning fan noise.

    I have an encapsulated crawlspace, so the noise carries a bit more due to there being no insulation between the floor joists. For those not familiar, in an encapsulated crawlspace, the walls are insulated instead of the floor. I could be fine with the noise it makes, but I decided yesterday to buy some Rockwool Safe'N'Sound insulation to put in between the floor joists of my bedroom and master bath to drown it out. My water softener is also right beside it, and that can get a bit loud when it's doing it's regeneration cycle, so that's also driving me a bit to put in some sound insulation.

    Thank you for writing this feedback! I happened to have family in the HVAC business who could get the subsidy up front by getting the Pro model, avoiding the wait for a rebate. Do you happen to have some documentation showing the enamel thickness and/or other differences? I’m certainly curious…

    Hi Paul,
    This site is immensely helpful. To be innovative Rheem should have been doing what you are. I’m puzzled why you claimed the Home Depot model (platinum performance) is the same as the professional prestige models, yet you went with the more expensive professional prestige model. It seems there are differences between the two, different controllers (Honeywell vs Shaw), different drainage valves, and thicker enamel coating in the tank. Could you share your thoughts on this?
    Cordially, Greg

    I don't need or use any ducting, the cool, dry exhaust air just blows into my unfinished area of my basement. But for you, fresh air and moisture management will be key to plan for, beyond just getting the 5" exhaust port. I admit I don't have experience or expertise in these areas, but I look forward to hearing how you decide to work things out.

    I am very interested in how your ducting worked. We have our 80gal HPWH from Rheem (4th gen 80 gal) in a below grade unheated basement. The unit does a fabulous job dehumidifying and cooling in the summer, but in the winter, it gets too cold in there, so I want to dump the cold exhaust outside and pull in makeup air from other parts of the house where we have wood fired heat. It looks like I have to buy a special damper and a 5" exhaust port from Rheem. Interested to know what your ducting consisted of and how well did it work? I think pulling hot and humid air from the outside would pull in a tremendous amount of moisture to be condensed and ejected by the pump.

    I think something must be wrong with your installation or with your water heater. Have it checked out by rheem before you junk it. Ours has worked really well for over a year.

    Mike, thanks again for writing in, this is challenging stuff to get exactly right. I'd say the Rheem app is roughly similar to the Kill-a-watt meter I use for things like the Ring Video Doorbell Pro 2 that I just unboxed this week, see my various screenshots here:
    https://TinkerTry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#jun-22-2020-update
    which means I did have to use the Wi-Fi connection from the Rheem to my guest Wi-Fi to be able to visualize all that, and I'm not entirely sure how accurate it actually is. I also have a Sense Energy Monitor
    https://TinkerTry.com/sense-energy-monitoring-gets-new-features
    but it's had a hard time picking up exactly what is the compressor and what is the electric element.

    Ok tried to do the math based on the Energy Guide listings on the devices, seems after adjusting for actual rates, not sure how the "average" rate is so low, my gas rate is just 160% the average, and my electricity rate is 270% the average!!! But assuming the rates listed on the Energy guide for total energy usage are correct I would save maybe $70 a year, which would work out great if I got a $600 unit after rebates, but looks like it'd be closer to $900.

    But if it uses electricity to directly heat then that kind of swings the pendulum back in favor of gas as far as cost to operate. Unfortunately I can't really get a grasp on how much cost the water heater is as it stands since there's no "Kill-a-watt meter" equivalent to see how much gas the tank uses in a month.

    Well, perhaps go with 80 gallon unit? Not sure of how much the recovery time using just the heat pump would be affected by 50s rather than room temp, but in some modes it will use electricity to speed up recovery.

    Good information, unfortunately the local utility company here will only give a rebate if I replace an electric water water, not a gas one... wonder if they would know how I heat my water... Also curious about efficiency of the system since my basement is in the 50s pretty much year round, so not as much heat to pull out of the air. Lastly one thing that made me have instant second thoughts, is the 50G unit states you can take "3 - 8 minute showers back to back" now I'm not sure if my wife is particularly water wasteful, but I doubt that would cover just her!

    I agree, that seems high. I wish I had smart circuit breakers, to truly and accurately measure just the power that this unit uses from its dedicated circuit.

    Imagine you go on holiday for a week and do not switch the breaker off. If the water heater is going to remain in standby mode, it will consume 7kWh. If you switch the breaker off instead, and put it back on once you return after a week, you can have a whole tank of hot water in about 45 minutes and it will consume around 4kWh only.

    Hi Paul, I would say this doesn't give me much of the savings, if any, compared to my previous electric water heater. My water heater is in heat pump mode only for about 2 or 3 hours in the afternoon, and during this time it consumes around 1 - 1.5kWh, so an additional 1kWh in standby mode looks like a failure of the engineers. My laptop consumes less power and surely it is way more sophisticated that the electronics in the water heater. It is surprising to me when Rheem says it is OK that the water heater's electronics consumes as much power as a laptop.

    Thank you for sharing that data. Does this equate to more cost per month than whatever kind of water heater you replaced? I realize this depends largely upon where you live, and how many gallons you use per day.

    I've bought the 40 gallons version and am quite disappointed with its base power consumption which is around 40W, or 1kWh or day. I contacted customer support and they confirmed that this is normal. That's around 365kWh per year wasted.

    You're right, and good point!

    Rheem seems to have added scheduling functions to the app, which I admit I haven't bothered to set up, for even further savings. It's hard to know for sure whether in practice this will make a significant difference, as the ambient temp in the room my water heater is in is between 62F and 75F year-round, so I figure it's doubtful the tank's water temperature drops much overnight, even if I set it to 120F instead of 140F.

    While I may try this feature if my family's schedules become more regular, I think proper testing would need to be done in a lab environment.

    I currently own the latest model ProTerra 80 Gal. Hybrid High Efficiency Smart Tank Electric Water Heater with Leak Detection & Auto Shutoff. My question is about scheduling and energy efficiency. I typically run my water heater at 140° but between 10pm - 6am I have the schedule drop it down to 120° since we are sleeping during that time. Do you think it’s more energy efficient to maintain a constant temperature throughout the day Or will I save money lowering the temperature during times when I know we are not using hot water?

    I’ll need to verify how long, and great tip!

    This info is extremely useful, thank you so much!

    After you guys take a shower, how soon does the app show that the heat pump and/or element turns on to re-heat?

    Also on gen 5 model I learned that if you hold down up and down arrow it will show you all the detailed temperatures which I guess is available in gen 4 out of the box.

    They sent me a new controller board and sensor but replacing those did not help. They are sending me a new water heater now. What I learned from them is heat pump mode will use element if ambient temperature if below 40 or lower heating element is below 72 degrees. In my case ambient temp is 75 and even if lower heating element is 90 it will not turn on. Also it will not turn on if the temp set such as 120 is within 9 degrees of the lower heating element.

    I'm hoping bob can fill us on on if/how he resolved his likely faulty install/unit.

    Hi bob, thank you for writing in. I should mention I'm just a consumer like you, I just happened to write about my experience. It would be best to contact a Rheem service person to get answers to your questions, as it sure seems to me your unit is behaving quite differently than mine (mine keeps its mode I set it to, and handles 3 people showering within an hour of one another if in high demand mode, but I admit I haven't timed them. Note the other commenters aren't generally mentioning issues with 50 gallons not being enough, but I'd say a 4 person household should go with 80 gallons, my house only has 2-3 most of the year.

    Maybe the installer is who you should start with, as far as answers to your great questions? Like commenter Ray
    https://tinkertry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#comment-5263788372

    I'm also eager to hear how this turns out, perhaps your unit is faulty, and stories about the
    support experience are very helpful for readers. All products can have issues, it's how a vendor handles those concerns that really helps shoppers make more informed decisions.

    Paul,
    can you speak to the utility of the wifi and app for the Rheem. These appear to set this water tank apart, but how useful are they. Probably like many folks I have lots of apps that sit unused on my phone. I do review my solar panel app everyday to see how much they are producing!

    This is not very encouraging. Please post if you learn why the heat switch to using element. I am considering but concerned with the hot water available volume.

    I have two issues with my rheem hybrid water heater 50 gallon gen 5.

    First I set it to heat pump mode and after taking a shower it will turn on the heat pump for only 5 minutes and then it switches to using element. I don't understand why?

    Second, the 50 gallon tank only has enough hot water for an 8 minute shower. My previous 55 gallon tank lasted 25 min. The battery icon in the app shows nearly empty for hot water availability.

    Temperature is about 75 degrees during the day and 55 at night where it's located. No alarms shown.

    Service and support are such important factors when folks are shopping, so you sharing your story is likely to be of considerable value to my readers. For folks following along, remember that every product has issues, and I have nowhere near enough data to figure out whether the failure rate for the particular hybrid water heater I own is higher than comparable gas heaters, and one story of one failure doesn't constitute a reason to decide one way or the other. This article is intended to provide you with considerably more info than you had when you started reading it.

    Thanks again @disqus_ekpJtAxXng:disqus for sharing, and if you are willing to let us know how things turn out, that would be appreciated. I also hope you, and all my readers, have a good New Year!

    So my heater finally gave up a trouble code of A004 Suction temp compressor shutdown. Rheem is sending out a new unit to be changed out under warrantee. While we wait for the new tank we are running in electric mode. I thought the compressor was having an issue when I noticed the air blowing out was not cold like when I first installed it.

    The values don’t seem to align to the values I have. My values are UT=122, LT=52.3, DT=126.45, ST=61.66, ET=64.68, AT=60.86. I still am getting T009 Compressor wiring may be faulty and now I get T132 heater trouble meeting demand.
    In the EcoNet app, the “battery” type indicator always show as almost empty and red in Energy Saver Mode. If I put it in Electric or after time High Demand modes, the battery indicator will go full and green.
    I also have power meter on the tank. I have noticed that when the compressor runs, the power used has steadily dropped when running from around 220 watts 5 days ago to now around 150 watts. Each day I can see the used watts going down, ie 220 to 200 to 190 and now 150. I think I saw a post that said normal running is around 400 so something is wrong.
    I do have the Proterra version and don’t have a convenient display of temps like you do. I have to cycle through each to see them.

    See also my temperature Sensor menu featured at this spot in my video:
    https://youtu.be/oajcd_PSY1c?t=60

    Hey Paul K, thanks for writing in, that is unfortunate to hear, but appreciate your sharing it here so others may benefit from the data point. Will be curious to hear what ends up happening. Meanwhile, here's my temperatures, that's strange that yours doesn't have the same screen. I have my temp set to 140F in the app https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ee77cb36a50aadb12ac61f9c102f08e7f2d7474a0f21e70be020d272ef9dd84.jpg

    Hi Paul, I just installed the new version Proterra 50 gallon model. I am getting an error T009 compressor wiring could be faulty. I called Rheem service and they said to watch it. One question, how are you getting the screen that shows all the temperatures? I can get them in a test mode but it is individual and not showing all at once. What are “normal” operating temps? Thanks Paul K

    I've gone to heat pump only mode when we don't have anybody extra staying in our home, it keeps up ok. I'm sorry to have to admit that I'm definitely not qualified to answer your question though, and I'm hoping somebody else will chime in here, but you might want to contact a qualified HVAC contractor in your area. Meanwhile, I am curious whether anything changed significantly in the environment your Hybrid Water Heater is in (temperature, humidity)?

    My fan is blowing cold air with highest speed and it started doing recently. I am still using Heatpump mode. And when I checked the settings it says Evaporator fan control speed set to high. Is that normal or something needs to be done like a service call?

    See also this discussion
    https://community.sense.com/t/hybrid-heat-pump-water-heater/4190/109
    (these heat pumps only run for a short amount of time)

    Hey New England neighbor! Sure sounds like your ducting plans would work fine, and I'm guessing you've already reviewed the install manual, but I'm not an expert on this by any stretch, perhaps contact an experienced Rheem installer?
    https://www.rheem.com/find-a-pro/

    Thank you for writing in, but I gotta say, I'm certainly not a pro here, I was just luck enough to have the help of an experienced extended family member help me with my wide open area install. After carefully reading the manuals (which it sounds like you did), I'd recommend you contact a an experienced pro, here's a Rheem finder:
    https://www.rheem.com/find-a-pro/
    I'm sorry I was unable to be of more direct assistance, I'm just a guy who pulled together a bunch of information and shared my experiences. I just don't know how to answer your question myself.

    Sir, I just installed a 50 Gallon ProTerra. The WH sits in a closet in the Garage. The door has the .75" gap at the bottom and I installed at 12" x 12" louver near the top of the door. I have gotten the following error codes twice since being installed two weeks ago. "T006 Suction Temperature Too Low" and "Compressor Shutdown: Suction Temp Low". This seems to tell me that the cold air being exhausted is being sucked right back up into the intake and that the louvers are not letting out enough air. I will add that the exhaust is not directly lined up with the louvers on the door. So, what I am trying to figure out next step to prevent this from occurring short of leaving the door off the WH closet. So, so I: 1. Simply rotate the WH exhaust so it aligns with the door louvers. 2. Create a dedicated exhaust line out of the closet through the wall into the garage. 3. Create a dedicated intake up through the ceiling and pull in air from the attic? Per the instructions in the book the louver door and door gap at the bottom should suffice but I guess the exhaust needs to better align with the louvers? Thoughts or suggestions? Also, live in Central Texas, water closet is inside the garage.

    I have a hot water tank heated by a Buderus furnace which also is used for baseboard heating. Plumber said our water tank is getting old and may start leaking. Getting this hybrid hot water heater would eliminate using oil except in the winter to heat the house. Any thoughts on this application as you have mostly talked about gas fired water heater replacement. I’ll be ducting intake air from the finished basement area and return cold air split back to that area and adjacent garage in summer. I’m in MA.

    To those that have it installed. Can you post a picture of what the audio spectrum looks like? I was getting -30dB @ 190Hz on startup using the spectroid app on my Galaxy S10e from about 1m away.

    I'm having an 80 gallon 30 amp model installed this week to replace my current 75 gallon, 76k btu natural gas (power vented) water heater.

    The unit will be located in an unconditioned basement in upstate NY. It is typically 47 degrees down there in the dead of winter so I'm worried about this unit using mostly resistance heat instead of the heat pump during that time.

    The only reason we are trying out the heat pump instead of replacing with another gas water heater is because we have a lot of excess energy from our solar system.

    Do you know what sort of temperature drop I can expect when using this? I'm hoping the basement temp doesn't drop into the 30s. Then again, I'm sure the current 76k btu heater and the power vent are causing a good deal of infiltration and contributing to the cold temps down there.

    Thanks for your time.

    Has anyone experimented with the scheduling feature in the app to maximize energy efficiency? Our home has PV solar electric, so I set my hybrid tank to Energy Saving mode during our peak solar production times (10am - 6pm), and scheduled the more efficient Heat Pump Only mode in the early morning and late evening when solar production is low. I also have it set to turn off completely overnight (9pm - 6am) when we’re not using any hot water or producing any PV electricity (we don’t have a battery storage system). Am I on the right track? So far we haven’t had any issue with running out of hot water when we need it.

    Hi! Yes and no. Rheem says the new heater arrived at a nearby home depot. Home Depot didn't notify anyone (I had to call Rheem to get an update). Have a name at Home Depot and will see how this goes. They trick will be getting Home Depot to release the new unit to a plumber who can swap with the old one and return it. Saga continues! Might get the new version ...

    In other news, I actually bought two on the same day. One was for my FIL (broken one) and one for me. After unplugging the defective condensate rope sensor from mine, it's been fabulous. They sent me a new rope. Can't really sees a reason for the hassle of replacing it ...

    My FIL can't be too upset. Has resistive heat and the unit was -$80 after local utility rebate and tax credit. ☺

    Did they get you a new heater? Please update us!

    Can you share how you do that? In Winter how to maximize the efficiency of this water heater? Mine is in garage(not insulated)

    Yes, it has the small flange for a duct to sit, as I plan on sucking hot air in for the summer and blowing cold out over the winter I plan on just using duct tape and moving it seasonally.

    This is so nice to receive such feedback, thank you! I'm guessing you have the same model as I do, with an outlet that is more suited for ducting than the new ProTerra models seen here:
    https://TinkerTry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#jul-10-2020-update
    I'll be curious to hear what you come up with for creative exhaust ducting, thank you again!

    Thanks for this page. Great info gathered here. I just had one of the Pro 50 gal models installed today to replace out just over 10 year old Geospring hybrid water heater (it finally died after have multiple issues for the last 6 months). It had a 2.35 EF and saved us about $30 a month, I'm excited to see the energy usage of this new more efficient model. I'm already planning on ways to duct the hot air in during the summer and cold air out over the winter, something the old one wasn't setup to do.

    I really appreciated this tip, and added a little about the new models to the above article here:
    https://TinkerTry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#jul-10-2020-update

    I have not, unfortunately, I tried. If you also use Twitter, please consider asking them by DM? https://twitter.com/rheem/status/1221773967415037952?s=20

    Paul, Did you get any update from Rheem about the modes?

    Hmm, this is a very good point, but it would seem that EV charging (over 220) would also indicate half of the actually, I'll look at that more closely too...

    Does your app still work? (one way to know if it's connected to the internet successfully over the guest WiFi)

    https://twitter.com/paulbraren/status/1280985095919349762
    + @disqus_qCkmH5JQYz:disqus @johnjjjj2

    Interesting, hmm. Let me see if I can find somebody from Rheem to clarify, starting with Twitter actually...

    Sorry for the Disqus issue,thanks for typing this up! Here's my pics:
    https://tinkertry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#comment-4984705828
    and I see you saw @disqus_qCkmH5JQYz:disqus 's numbers already too, glad we could help. Still a big surprised about the lack of serviceability thing, doesn't sound too green if lots of these fail prematurely, only time will tell. I'm guessing these won't last 15-20 years, probably more like 10 years, but totally a guess...

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/afcfb3cf2c4f202b4b99672a3799f1026819171de7fb2b3e798d86c5e10451a5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3eaa941f7e1abb6304d8ec63caacea6d4514c6a0552df0224d273f092fddb82c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14199854dd123bbff5fdc213621548bb9be8397cb148d94b90531e048d86d8c0.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0622b745cf88c0993039c7e2e8cfe8181301ed7755b43d5efd2cfde36987a628.jpg

    I've attached some pics here. The lower Discharge Temperature 82.0°F is at idle, hours after anybody took a shower. The higher Discharge Temperature 101.8°F is 3 minutes after leaving a tub fill on full blast at highest temp. Guess I should have left it running longer, interesting that @disqus_qCkmH5JQYz:disqus shows 140.1°F.

    Mine is connected to WIFI and still shows older modes.

    The old modes (heat pump, electric, etc). Date of manufacture was last August, I think. If it is updating the modes over WiFi, I haven't connected it, so that might be relevant.


    If it does updates over WiFi, I certainly can connect it ... ??

    In winter what mode do we need to set it to? mine is in the garage that is not insulated. usually all garages are not insulated right?

    John, what kind of modes are being shown on your heater? Mine still shows old modes like heatpump, electric, energy savings. But for others this got updated somewhere during the Feb or March.

    Only in Heat Pump mode are the resistive heating elements turned off. So in the other modes you'll get faster heating, but less efficiency.
    In Electric Only mode, you get 1 unit of water heated per 1 unit of energy.
    In Heat Pump mode, you get ~3 units of water heated per 1 unit of energy.
    In the other two modes you get a mix depending on your usage pattern.

    If @ me (broken compressor) ... sure, would like to but Disqus is not taking the image from me. So I'll do it the old fashioned way. This is from right after the compressor tripped off with an A004 error after running for 10 minutes.


    Upper Tank Temp: 121.0
    Lower Tank Temp: 73.7
    Ambient Temp: 74.3
    Suction Temp: 74.5
    Evaporator Temp: 66.7
    Discharge Temp: 80.5

    so Heat Pump mode is the best mode to save more electricity?

    Finally they have fixed my warranty. But for some reason they say they can't update warranty for parts to 10 years in the website as they say it is a bug in their system. That is one weird. Paul, is your warranty for parts shows 10 years on the rheem website?

    Extremely helpful information for everyone, thank you so much sharing your story here. That is a bit disconcerting, but certainly appreciated. I’m still trying to get a discharge temp photo while the heat pump is active, but it sounds like you’re all set, sorry for the delayed response. Do you have a pic of your faulty units temperature during active heat pump, if so, could you upload it via Disqus here, for comparison/reference?

    Perfect. Thank you! Discharge temp is a key one. Rheem has agreed the compressor is broken. Interestingly, they are completely unservicable. Not even a port to charge coolant. So it's a replacement. Mixed bag so far on warranty, but they seem to be trying to do the right thing. Fingers crossed.



    Not sure what the 10 year parts warranty means if the parts can't be replaced. Fingers crossed!

    My family of 6 took bath in 4 different bathrooms and mine is set in heatpump mode

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca47a6287845561f4c265c3dc277f64ee35986fbdd49624328df130eeb045825.jpg

    First, Home Depot is clearing out the old ones as they update to the new (April 2020) version that is slightly more efficient (3.7 instead of 3.55). You can find great deals if you are willing to call around for inventory ($800).



    Second, I seem to have gotten a lemon. (hey, at least it was cheap?). Turned it on to get compressor errors and alarms. At least the resistive heat works, but ... not good. Made me go read the 10% one star reviews and question the whole thing ... sigh.



    If anyone who has a properly working one would be willing to post the Evaporator Temp (and ideally suction and discharge temps and ambient temp) when the hear pump is running ... I would be VERY GRATEFUL!

    PS - I know there is a shot of this in the original article. But I think it was taken when there was no heat pump cycle running. I think the evaporator should get good and cold when it is ...

    Thank you!

    Now Rheem has a slightly new version with more savings. Now they also have a 40 gallon one.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rheem-Performance-Platinum-80-Gal-10-Year-Hybrid-High-Efficiency-Smart-Tank-Electric-Water-Heater-XE80T10H45U0/312741506?MERCH=REC-_-pipsem-_-303419594-_-312741506-_-N

    Changed my wifi to Guest mode after you posted. Still same old modes.

    I'm guessing that having my unit be connected to WiFi (optionally, I put it on my guest WiFi) allows it to update itself and thus newer modes.

    Still showing old modes. Any one has 80 gallons and showing old modes or new modes?

    Sorry for my delayed response. I wish I had a direct answer for you, but I'll have to refer you to contacting Rheem directly for this tricky question, sounds like you area already in touch. I Probably best to upload what you got as soon as possible. FYI, from Rheem's contact page:
    https://www.rheem.com/contact
    I found this form for water heater warranty verification and questions:
    https://rheem.registermyunit.com/WHVerify.html?brand=rheem&_ga=2.252273868.458975272.1550504362-35241443.1545400581

    I have one more issue regarding warranty. The build date of my water heater is Jun2019. I got this during March 2020 but didn't install it because of pandemic thing. When I have verified my warranty it said, the parts and manufacturer warranty will expire in JUne 2020. They suggested that to upload plumber's receipt. My plumber who happened to my brothers friend came and installed water heater and charged 3 hours work for $150 very professionally. Do you think they will accept that as proof? He works for a plumbing company and the same plumbing company wants to charge $700 for installation. He just gave a normal receipt saying he installed water heater for this serial number and this model 80 gallons

    They've changed modes on me so it's difficult to answer that question, and I also went to 140F, reasons detailed above, at this spot: https://TinkerTry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#mar-17-2020-update
    I've been on ENERGY SAVINGS mode for months, and using HIGH DEMAND when more folks are home. Now that it's summer, I'll probably go back to HEAT PUMP ONLY mode for extra dehumidification. I'm also unclear on how ENERGY SAVINGS differs from HEAT PUMP ONLY mode.

    Curious, are you seeing those modes on the display of the unit itself, or on the app?

    Guys just got installed my new Hybrid heater 80 gallons 2 days back. I am still seeing the modes from the factory manual and not the new ones listed here. Right now runnig in Heatpump mode and increased my water temp to 125. Any suggestions ?

    Why the change of Usage Modes and why no more Hybrid (only) Mode? What has been the impact on electrical energy usage?

    Actually went back to 140F on the Rheem, since temp at faucets in the 120s.

    Hmm, I'm really not sure, a quick search found this:
    http://www.wyckomaruv.com/blog/blog-post_UV-Water-Treatment-to-Kill-Legionella.html
    but not idea if that's a reputable site, or if there is scientific consensus. Have you found anything reassuring you? I've now gone to 135F for ours. Of course, if we have an extended power outage (had some blips during snow yesterday), I'd want to fire up the generator to keep things safe.

    This water safety issue also has me rethinking use of vacation mode when away...

    Interesting consideration. If the water is being treated with UV inside the house (as I already intend), do you think the Legionella issue is moot?
    I might observe that the power needed to run the UV is dwindlingly small by comparison to the water heating power, so if that's sufficient, the combination may be an efficiency win pretty much anywhere, as long as you don't mind swapping out a UV bulb periodically...

    In case you didn't spot my article updates, beware, 120 degrees F is great for efficiency, may be too cold for safety:
    https://TinkerTry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#mar-17-2020-update

    Excellent info, thank you so much for sharing it here!

    Somewhat shockingly, I got a to-the-point technical answer from Rheem customer service, so I thought I'd share it in case someone else is looking. This doesn't provide the startup current, but it's a big help.

    Thank you for contacting Rheem. The power consumption of the unit in each mode are as follows:

    Heat Pump Only uses 432 Watts

    Energy Saver Mode uses 5432 Watts

    High Demand Mode uses 5432 Watts

    Electric Only Mode uses 5000 watts.

    These numbers are the maximum amount of power the unit could be using at any time on the unit. While working in Energy Saver Mode and High Demand Mode, the elements will not be powered on the entire time and will switch off at different temperatures to ensure the most efficient operation as possible.

    Do any of the various monitors you have give you a reading on the startup and running amps for the heat pump? Rheem's data sheets don't seem to include this; some of the competing products (e.g. Stiebel Eltron Accelera) do list this, but I really want the ducted version that Rheem sells.
    I need to figure out peak and average current to see if this thing can play with the grid-optional solar house I'm working on.

    Spoke to someone at Rheem Econet support today. They told me it was likely wrong. They said it is not exact and the high cost of electricity in my area (CA) could significantly throw off the calculation used to estimate energy usage. I didn't completely understand his explanation, but am assuming the app is off. If i want to know for sure I could get a electric monitoring device to measure energy usage.

    This is outrageously high. It is either wrong, installed incorrectly, or defective.

    Don't know if anyone answered this but, the sense app is only measuring 1 leg of the 220 line, whereas the unit is actually using exactly double that. Notice your sense is exactly half the Rheem app. The app is correct.

    Do know what the difference is between the automate savings mode and most efficient mode?

    No - I would have to call them back and wait on hold. They said to look for an update to the app.

    Any response from Rheem yet? See also:
    https://twitter.com/paulbraren/status/1221599226574098436?s=20

    Wow, that is interesting info, I really appreciate it. I"m looking into some discussion on Sense to see if their detection is working any more reliably, seen here:
    https://community.sense.com/t/rheem-instantaneous-whole-house-water-heater/5853
    https://community.sense.com/t/hybrid-heat-pump-water-heater/4190/2

    Called Rheem. They told me they are having issues with the app and it is not calculating energy usage correctly. They are working n getting it resolved. I am assuming that should affect anyone using the app. Have you noticed anything like that recently when you use the app? Thanks for your help.

    That does seem way hi, given Rheem states an average of $404 annually. What mode are you in? See my stats and mode at:
    https://TinkerTry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#jan-20-2020-update

    I think the cold of the garage will mean it will be a bit less efficient in that unconditioned space, but I’m no expert. I would suggest you reach out to Rheem directly.

    I just installed the app a week ago and it shows I used 145 KwH in the last week in energy savings mode. That seems like a crazy amount of energy usage. I have it set to 135 degrees and have a household of three people. It is about 45 degrees outside right now and probably around 55 degrees in my garage. I have an 80 gallon tank. Any thoughts?

    See also new screenshots at:
    https://TinkerTry.com/replaced-my-gas-water-heater-with-more-efficient-hybrid-electric-rheem-review#jan-20-2020-update

    Heat pump mode has been renamed to Most Efficient, but yeah that’s where I usually leave it.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf8d65536e4e0a520602e40d40c5c69959484ab1c38fae0c96de2a17a3e93682.png
    I have from 2 to 6 people here around the busy holidays, so I turned it to high demand to keep up fine. 120 is the temp for us.

    I’m sorry, I don’t know the answer to that one.

    I'm not on well water, but have had some smelly water now and again, though rarely. I blame it on poor maintenance by the previous owners and the water heaters nearing end of life (read: lots of sediment in the tank).

    As for replacing the anodes, I'm glad I don't have whatever water heater you're addressing! I simply looked for the indicator on the top of the tank that said, "Anode," pulled off the plastic cap, and went from there. I did have to chip away some insulating foam, but after that it was simply a breaker bar with a 1.25"(?) socket and out came the anodes. No plastic sleeve, no extension for the breaker bar, no grinding, and no impact driver needed.

    You're making me feel better about my situation, I can tell you that! Regardless, both water heaters are getting replaced in the next month or two--HPWHs here I come!

    If you are on well water you will probably get smelly water with the magnesium anode. You will need to remove the anode (and replace with galvanic anode). Removable of anode is a problem. First there is nothing about finding or removing the anode in the instructions. After you find it buried deep, you remove a plastic sleeve and then find the anode is not central in the access hole so you have to grind away the metal to get the socket on and you need a 15inch extension bar plus a breaker bar and maybe get it undone. Go rent an impact driver and save time. It is a great concept but there are complications, needs condensate drain and different connection if you have a hot water circulating pump, plus I could not find a big enough drain tray. Just know what you are getting into.

    Paul - Thanks for this article. I have the Prestige 80 gallon unit and wasn't aware of some of the features. I need to get it hooked up to the my wifi and track energy usage. How many people are in your household? Are you still using it in heat pump mode? What temp do you keep yours at? We like to take long showers and baths, I found I had to keep mine in high demand mode to get the hot water need.

    Thanks for posting your experience with this HPWH. I'm in Mississippi and am planning to replace my standard electric with a HPWH. Do you know the difference between the PROPH50 T2 RH350 D and DCB models? I see both advertised online, but haven't stumbled across the difference(s).

    If one is on a softened system, the sacrificial anodes will break down even faster. It's imperative to flush the tank regularly, and it's also helpful to replace the anodes every few years. If the tank has never been flushed, I would recommend doing it a few times in a row, perhaps a week or two apart. There will be plenty of gunk that comes out. Note that the tank doesn't need to be drained dry. Opening the relief valve will break the vacuum and let water pour out of the valve at the bottom of the unit.

    Handy tip: replace that chintzy plastic valve with an easier closing brass one.

    The heat pump needs at least 700 cubic feet of air in order to function properly. It has nothing to do with the footprint of the unit, and everything to do with the physical needs of the heat pump. If installing in a smaller space such as a utility closet, one can replaced a solid door with a louvered door and be okay.

    P.S. Many third-party sites say 1000 cubic feet is a bare minimum.

    Wow, thank you so much for taking the time to add these comments, my readers and I really appreciate it. I'll be sure to share with my HVAC pro relatives.

    Believe you mean 700 Cubic Feet for the install? It looks like at 10'W by 10'L it requires 100 Square Feet of floor space, and 700 Cubic Feet when including the height.
    700 Square Feet when speaking about a home's total square footage is a massive amount.

    That being said, I don't understand where you're getting 10' x 10' x 7' as a prerequisite for this install... looking at the spec sheet linked over at sidharvey.com, the dimensions for the tank base are 36" x 36". So even if you wanted to give a foot clearance all the way around the tank, you're only looking at a 5'W x 5'L x 7'H to cover it. 25 square feet of floor space is likely more appropriate for a pre-req, but i don't have the owner/install manual to confirm.

    One biggie we learned the hard way about water heaters is the anode rod. The water inside that tank attacks the tank and eventually destroys is - as you found, every 11-12 years. So water heaters use this device called an anode rod that sacrifices itself, so the water in tank destroys the anode rode instead of the tank insides. And then you periodically drain the tank and replace the anode rod.

    Anyway, what happens is, residue from the degraded anode rod collects at the bottom of the tank and acts as an insulator. The tank "thinks" it's at the proper temp, but really, only the bottom is at the proper temp. The degraded anode rod crud absorbs all the heat and that's why most of the water is only warm instead of hot. The cure - pull the old anode rod, drain the tank, and then hose it out as best as you can to get that anode rod crud out. Replace the anode rod and fill it back up again.

    When the water attacks the anode rode, the resulting crud is something like 1000 times the volume when it's all part of the rod. That can gunk up a tank fast. Also, there are a couple type of anode rods; aluminum and magnesium. Magnesium is apparently good for us, aluminum not-so-good, and so we use magnesium rods. The magnesium gunk doesn't seem to be as voluminous as aluminum.

    How do you know if this is the problem? Drain your tank and collect a water sample from when it's almost drained. If you have a bunch of dissolved white particles, they're probably from a spent anode rod.

    It's a bummer there aren't more writeups on anode rods.

    That’s great to hear! Our setup is pretty similar. Unheated basement space in New England. We have a walkout basement though, so a bit more cold exposure.

    We will probably do the water heater this spring at the end of heating season.

    Happy to answer as best as I can. I installed an ecobee temperature sensor in the back area of my basement about 10' from the water heater. That 400 sq. foot unfinished back area of our basement isn't heated or air conditioned, but the gas furnace is in the same room, and gives off some heat. It's about 64F in the winter on average, which isn't a problem at all. I was a little worried my basement might be unusually cold, but I don't notice it being any different than last winter.

    How has the water heater been in the cooler weather we've been having lately? Is your basement a heated space?

    Thank you for weighing in, wighty, still hoping to hear how Mike H. resolved his issue.

    That sounds like a defect in either the tank or the plumbing/fixture and not an issue with it being a heat pump system... it doesn't really make sense to run out of hot water that quickly (ie go from hot to warm), considering the tank should be up to temperature assuming you've given it enough time in heat pump mode. We would kind of need to know the actual quantity of "little bit of very hot water", though, to make a good guess at the issue.

    I greatly appreciate the feedback. That is a surprise. There seems to be more to this story, as we are having no such experience in our household, with the temperature staying the same throughout multiple showers. That doesn't mean you're not having a totally different experience, it's just my observation. You have added value to this article, and I appreciate it, and I hope you'll consider letting my readers know how you eventually resolve this for your household.

    I have had the Rheem Econet 65 gal hybrid water heater installed for a year now, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone! It's a major disappointment, and I'm probably going to have to rip it out and go back to gas. Bottom line is that I replaced a 40 gal gas with a 65 gal hybrid, and we get a little bit of very hot water followed by many gallons of only warm water. To get a hot shower you have to turn this device way up, and then you risk significant scalding on short burst from sinks, etc. This is not mitigated from the supposed HIGH DEMAND mode, which helps only marginally.