Insteon Hub first impressions, easier home automation, configured right from your smartphone
April 20 2022 Urgent Update - Insteon ceased all sales and service operations abruptly in mid April of 2022, as covered by arstechnica here. Their abrupt closure left customers without access to their hubs to change any settings, myself included. While smarthome.com hasn't been taken offline yet, I would not recommend ordering anything. This shut-down has been confirmed by Insteon, see @danwroc's tweet linking to insteon.com/news2022. It's also not quite as bad operationally as it first seemed, with my own home's sunset/midnight/sunrise programs all still running fine, at least until the next Daylight Saving Time change on November 6 2022 here in the US. There also might be some paths forward to keep the installed hardware going, see details in My Hub is now offline thread on reddit, where rszostak writes:
Folks just to clear up a few things, the issue with the servers being done impacts the Insteon App which uses the Insteon servers to process the requests from the App. The timers are actually stored on the hub thus the reason those still work but you need the App to make changes so we are screwed to make changes as long as the Insteon servers are down, the Insteon App is effectively dead. However the good news is the hub can still be used with software that runs locally and does not rely on the cloud.
This is a shameful example of poor company behavior, and of the risk taken when investing in gear from any cloud-connected IoT device company. Such stories hurt the IoT industry as a whole. I'm glad that the prospects for some level of local Insteon device control may make the pain felt much less keen that it would be for other sad story endings such as Wink, and hopefully I can keep my dozens of Insteon devices away from landfills for at least a little while longer. All my local light wall toggle switches will continue to keep working, and a while back I moved from Insteon leak and smoke sensors over to the monitored service of (Amazon owned) Ring Home Security System.
Article as it originally appeared below.

Insteon Hub - Initial configuration, creating a Christmas lights scene for my living room, from my smartphone.
It's a busy time of year.
But my Insteon Hub 2242-222 arrived today, an early gift. I knew it was going to be at least December before it'd arrive, back when I placed the order from Smarthome on November 14, 2012. Had backorder warnings when I placed the order, and got regular emailed from Smarthome while I waited. So no surprise.
I saw this Insteon hub as a way to replace my failing, out-of-warranty Insteon Central Controller 2412N, which was had a good 3 year run for around $100. But it never kept time very well, with a clock drift of as much as 15 minutes per month. Yes, no NTP time sync for its little ethernet connected web server. And the free HomeControl app with the 2412N was a little clunky, and didn't handle pairing very easily. And out of warranty. So time to move on, and place the order, and wait.
What did I use to turn the lights on and off during the long back-order wait? Time to get the dust of my little-used but highly-configurable PowerLinc Modem - Insteon USB Interface (Dual-Band) 2413U. And fired up an always-on Windows virtual machine to go with it, attaching USB physically and virtually, so the the free, but not-so-fun-to-use HouseLinc software could be programmed to handle lights-on, lights-off duties, pictured here:

There are drawbacks to using a VM for basic lighting controls over USB. I would rather have an efficient and simple device taking care of that automation, for many years to come, without having to think about it. At all. No PC required. Always working.
If something higher end is what you have in mind, consider the ISY-994i, reviewed here, with options from $199 to $324 seen here.
What factors did I weigh, when shopping around for the most affordable solution to my basic home automation needs?
Advantages:
- cloud-based offering would be the simplicity of not dealing with dynamic DNS
- no need to worry about potential loopback issues when running the software at home, described here, and something I saw when using the free HomeControl app with the 2412N
- finally, an accurate clock, based on giving the smartphone app permission to use your smartphone's GPS/location, greatly simplifying sunset and sunrise time set up
- easy ability to check status and turn things on and off, even when not home, using minimal cellular data
- low price
- simple and quick one-time configuration, given my Insteon network settings stay largely the same for years
Disadvantages:
- cloud-based offering, which relies on Smarthome continuing to run this service for years to come
- not as full featured as some higher end products with complex macros and scene configurations (that I never needed or used)
- Smartphone (Android/iOS) only, no PC software or no decent direct web interface
I just discovered that the hub responds to ping on your local network, but doesn't respond to telnet, ssh, or port 80 web requests. The port I chose to forward on my router, port 8822, does work, sort of! The smartphone app is a heck of a lot friendlier, not doubt. But http://10.10.1.6:8822 actually gets me in to the basic interface (much like the 2412N), seen screenshots below:


There seems to be very few hands-on overviews of this new Insteon Hub out there so far. I'm already able to quickly summarize some lessons learned, that would have made things far simpler during the set up, including:
- plug hub and any devices your paring directly into wall outlets as it advises
- make sure your WiFi signal is strong when doing the initial setup
- everything after that initial, first-time set up can be done over cellular, even the pairing with Insteon devices, nice!
- if you're willing to expose your router to possible UPnP vulnerabilities, that'd make set up easier, I just went with forwarding a single arbitrary port number in my router and moved on
- depending upon your router's security level, you may need a PC for setting up that port forwarding, especially if you don't have UPnP enabled
- don't be scared off by all this port-forwarding stuff, most routers ship with UPnP on and you won't have those issues you see me deal with in the video
- at one spot in the video, you'll see an add new device search fails when using cellular, no biggie, I should probably be sticking with local WiFi when adding devices anyway
- you'll want to set up this device in your own home, so if you receive one as a gift, don't bother to try to play with it on somebody else's network
- go with SMS instead of email, for more immediacy when you receive confirmations

Additional Insteon Hub resources:
Insteon
product page
Smarthome
product page
customer reviews
quick start guide
owner's manual
forum discussions
Amazon
product page
customer reviews
(Feb 24 2013 edit, shortened video to focus on just the unboxing):
Jan. 09 2013 Update:
Was having an issue with schedule execution after a brief power outage. Worked with Smarthome's always-excellent Insteon chat support, was informed of a new version of the Smartphone app arriving within about 6-9 days. Was given permission to share this list of fixes coming, for both iOS and Android:
- Corrected issue where motion sensor timeout was off by 30 secs.
- Fixed schedules not being saved to the Hub correctly.
- Fixed row indexing issue for alerts where users were unable to select ON Alert
- Dismiss Quick Control View overlay after control.
- Fixed bug where updating schedules were turning on alerts.
- Updated Quick Controls more button icon with larger width icon and height.
- Skip the Add Device wizard before Favorites when logging in and the user has a Hub associated to the account.
- Fixed issue where Schedules were not being activated when device was in 24-hour time format.
- Update to use Quick Launch paddle for Fast Control
- Enable setting of Main Thermostat – Edit Settings->House-Main Thermostat
- Enable setting of Main Camera – Edit Settings->House-Main Camera
- Enabled Motion Sensor Properties
- Motion LED = ON/OFF
- Night ONLY = ON/OFF
- Motion Countdown Timer = 30 sec TO 2 hours
- Light Sensitivity = 1% to 100%
- On Only Mode = ON/OFF
- Occupancy Mode = ON/OFF
- Fixed issue with an X10 unit code over 10
- Fixed issue with X10 schedules
See also user reviews here, which are quite mixed at the current level of code, unfortunately. Mine shows as PLM Version: 9B / Firmware Version: 4.3A / Build Oct 30 2012.
Jan. 19 2013 Update:
Note the Insteon hub is not a dual-band Insteon device.
Smarthome has emailed their Insteon Hub owners, here's the web version. It explains what's wrong, and what they're doing about it. See also screenshot of same letter:

Jan. 29 2013 Update:
The Insteon Hub app for iPhone Jan 29 2013 update 1.2.0 has been released, screenshots of the Updates below, from my iPhone 5:

The update was fast.
So I unplugged my USB controller, and plugged the Insteon Hub back in.
After logging in with the app, I quickly noticed something I hadn't noticed before, a "Stay signed in" slider, which I turned on.

Tap the Gear Icon along the bottom, tap "Edit Settings", tap "Account", tap "Stay signed in".
Next, noticed I couldn't get my scenes to work manually. So I went into each scene, turned it on, then went in to each member device turned it on, then tapped update scene.
See also the sequence of screenshots below that walk through what I did.

(Above) launch Insteon app, tap Scenes button along bottom edge, tap “On” at top of onscreen paddle switch, tap Gearbox icon along bottom, tap “Edit This”, tap first scene, in my case, named “On Dusk to Dawn”.

(Above) tap first Members device, in my case named “Christmas Tree”, tap On, it then confirms “Updating Settings” and returns you to the previous menu, repeat the process for all remaining Members devices
Now all is well, turning my 2 scenes on or off is fast, all devices go on or off in unison, in well under a second from the moment I tap the button.
Only time will tell if the clock stays accurate, and if the scenes are automatically triggered at the right times, every day. Sunset/midnight for one scene, Sunset/sunrise for the other.
Jan. 29 2013 Update #2:
Unfortunately, it turns out my morning scene (sunrise) didn't execute today, so attempting the same workaround, to go in and edit, making no changes, just saving it again, and seeing if my 2 scenes now work again.
Jan. 30 2013 Update:
Scheduled Scenes are working again. Basically I went in to edit my 2 scenes, then simply re-saved them, and scheduled scenes then resumed working just fine.
See the exact steps here.

(Above) launch the Insteon app, tap “Scenes” icon along the bottom row, tap Gearbox Icon, tap “Edit This”, tap the first scene name “On Dusk to Dawn”, tap “Schedule”

(Above) tap “Save” at top-right, it returns to the previous menu and confirms “Updating Settings”, then tap “Back” at top left, repeat this process for each remaining scene, in my case, it was by tapping “On Dusk to Midnight”
all is well now, all lights on and off at the right times. It now seems possible I won't have to touch anything again. Well, not unless I bring more Insteon devices online.
I can reliably turn on and off any individual device in my home, so lack of dual-band not apparently an issue with my configuration. Now the only apparent remaining issue for me is clock drift. Checking in on my the time it thinks it is today, on this private IP (with hub set to port # 8822):
http://10.10.1.6:8822/network.htm
Right after doing an NTP clock sync of my laptop, I can see the Insteon Hub's clock is 57 seconds behind. Time will tell if it begins to drift further, but more importantly, if it adjusts itself automatically in the coming weeks.

Jan. 31 2013 Update:
Darn. Brief power outage during a pre-sunrise windstorm last night. This took out power to the Insteon Hub for a few seconds. For mysterious reasons, this also means the house lights didn't turn off at sunrise an hour or so later. Used the iOS app to turn the 2 scenes off manually.
The two scenes did turn on again at sunset, without any further intervention. So not sure what his single incident means. Or why the Hub didn't recover itself. But worth noting. Especailly since you can't use a UPS (battery backup) on such a device.
See also my related Smarthome forum comments, from Jan 30 2013:
Insteon Hub iOS app 1.2.0 works better, here's how
Feb. 05 2013 Update:
TheGuy has kindly posted a very useful tip in his very detailed post (including Android and iOS experiences) in the Disqus comments below, thank you!
To access the cloud version of your Insteon account from any browser, such as on your PC, TheGuy reminds you to use the basic functionality available at:
http://connect.insteon.com
and login with your ID. That simple. Note, you're redirected to https secure version, as soon as you visit the site:

One more trick that may others have discovered. Here's how you see how Smarthome's cloud sees your Insteon Hub:
http://connect.insteon.com/getinfo.asp
Apr. 13 2013 Update:
The April 11, 2013 Insteon for Hub App upgrade to version 1.3.0 completed quickly, without incident. Some new UI stuff, but no big differences noticed, other than having to type in just my password again. Then after a day, noticed it asking for both Email and Password, despite the "Stay signed in" slider still showing set to ON.
How have the last few months of automation gone? Daylight savings was honored, and the clock is correct, this is good. Unfortunately, once or twice a month, the sunset scene would just be skipped, with darkness falling, and the house lights not turning on. But functions would resume without intervention, like the next day, lights would automatically go on again. And jumping in and using the App to turn things on or off always works, so I have no indications of signal issues that could explain the missed scene.
I doubt this App update will fix my occasionally skipped scenes, since the firmware has stayed the same, PLM Version: 9B, Firmware Version: 4.3A Build Oct 30 2012.

May 16 2013 Update:
Thanks to a tip from TinkerTry reader JPMJR, I learned that the newer 2242-224 Dual band hub is apparently available for trade-in, even though it's still unlisted on the Smarthome site. It appears to be an offer intended for just folks who bought the 2242-222 and have experienced some issues. Just call Smarthome and explain your situation. All the details in the threaded conversation right below this article, jump ahead by clicking here.
May 23 2013 Update:
My new 2242-224 has arrived, working on unboxing video.
Also, got this tip from a TinkerTry reader JPMJR:
I received my new insteon hub. Just a quick note before you unplug your old hub go into the insteon application on your device and delete your insteon account. When you plug in the new insteon hub you just create the same account. There were no instruction to do this so it took me a bit to figure it out. I just plugged my old hub in deleted it then plugged the new hub back in.
May 24 2013 Update:
I've taken screenshots of all pages of the iOS app, so now with device IDs in hand, I should be able to rediscover all Insteon devices in my home, without having to walk around to each one to press the pairing button. Smarthome support agreed this approach would likely make for the smoothest approach to replacement.
Unboxing video now available.
You can tell its a revised model by the Model 2242-222R (the R is simply a small sticker they've added at Smarthome, presumably after replacing the circuitry inside).

May 27 2013 Update:
It works! The replacement has been a complete success. It's easy IF you remember to delete the account before swapping units and have UPnP enabled. Not as easy if you forget to delete first, or are avoiding UPnP by using port-forwarding. But it even comes with a how to replace guide that warns you to delete your account first, featured in the unboxing video above, and the screenshot below.



May 28 2013 Update:
Rather aggressive, painful procedure for swapping out your hub is documented in the manual at page 18:
Factory Reset
If you have already set up the Hub in the app, you must first delete your account prior to factory resetting the Hub. If you have added any Insteon devices to the app, it is strongly recommended that you factory reset those devices prior to deleting your account and factory resetting the Hub.
Delete Account
1) Go to the Edit Settings page by tapping the settings button and selecting Edit Settings
2) Select Account
3) At the bottom of the page is a Delete Account button. Tap button to delete your account (this cannot be undone).
Factory Reset Hub
On the phone with a knowledgeable support rep at 866-243-8022, I was instead told to follow the procedure on the "Insteon Hub - Get Started with your new Insteon Hub" pamphlet included with the new unit, seen pictured under the May 27 2013 Update above.
May 29 2013 Update:
I noticed my scenes just weren't working. I called in to support, and Justin advised me to
- turn off all 7 days of the week in my 2 scenes
- log off the app
- log back in again
- turn all 7 days of the week again in both scenes
- log off the app
- log back in again
I'll know at sunset tonight whether this workaround works. If it doesn't his next advice was to delete both scenes entirely, then re-add them back again, adding each of the member devices back to each recreated scene.
May 31 2013 Update:
It worked! A power outage May 29th overnight got in the way that night (with all Insteon lights off after power was restored, as expected). But last night, my 2 secenes worked fine:
- Sunset light on/midnight lights off
- Sunset lights on/sunrise lights off
So in a few more days, my confidence will be built that this swap was a succces. I'll then mail the old unit back to Smarthome, with the provided pre-paid label. See also my comment dropped over at the Smarthome Insteon forum at:
http://www.smarthome.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12944
Jun. 04 2013 Update:
Sorry about the ridiculous article length, which turned out more like a 6 month experience journal. I probably need a whole new article just about DHCP reservations, port forwarding, and then setting a fixed IP (to avoid UPnP while allowing easy setup), but that's for another day. And maybe a Insteon Superguide. And perhaps a little something about dimmable LEDs, and which Insteon products work well with them.
FYI, soon, there might be some podcasting about this Insteon Hub going on, keep an eye on:
homeservershow.com/category/byob
In the end, it was all worthwhile, with a new Insteon leak detector arriving today for free, for the trouble of having to replace my original unit. I did not ask for or get any special treatment (Insteon tech support doesn't really care who calls in anyway). Everything was bought with my own $, as just another customer.
Your feedback about the Best Buy deal is also [b]very [/b]interesting. I was at Best Buy just last weekend, and didn't see any Insteon on display, but Belkin certainly had a big WeMo display. Anyhow, those Insteon starter kits available online do seem to be a pretty amazing deal, and knowing they're likely to be the "R" model is great info for folks out there.
Here's the handy shortened URLs, for easy sharing:
Insteon - Starter Kit Model: 2244-224 SKU: 8448042 (Hub with LampLinc 2-pin lamp dimmer module (2457D2) [i]- this is the one you mention, but it only says 1 dimmer[/i]
$119 at Best Buy
Insteon- Starter Kit - White Model: 2244-223 SKU: 5388941 (Hub with SmartLinc controller, LampLinc dual-band dimmer, dual-band access point range extender)
$99 at Best Buy
Insteon Hub Model: 2242-222 (just the 2242-222R hub)
$119 at Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AEDTWHK?tag=tinkertryamzn-20
Jun. 05 2013 Update:
FYI, I avoid UPnP, which admittedly would make initial configuration simpler for most folks, and much more like the Smarthome getting started guides. But I'm concerned about the vulnerabilities, explained here:
TinkerTry.com/upnp-vulnerability
So I instead went with this method:
1) Create a DHCP reservation for the Insteon Hub (before even plugging in the new one), using the MAC address listed on sticker on the bottom. That way, I'd know it'd always gets the same IP address, even at first power up. So in my case, that is 10.10.1.6.
2) I then also set up manual port forwarding, for the port # it chose during that initial configuration, in my case, that was port 25105.
3) On the iOS app, I configured a fixed IP anyway, as 10.10.1.6, so that the Insteon Hub would boot and be all set with knowing it's IP address, even if something went wrong with my DHCP server, which in my case is my router.
Hope this short version those with less conventional home networking helps folks a bit!
Jun. 11 2013 Update:
I've been running on the new Insteon for Hub Version 1.4.0 since its June 6th release, and so far, so good, with many nice new icons. No missed scheduled scenes, things have been good for weeks now actually. So confidence high, now that I must mail back the old unit to avoid getting stuck with the bill...

Jun. 15 2013 Update:
I've finally gotten around to shipping my original unit back in the Smarthome-provided, pre-paid FedEx box. Hope it gets there fast enough to avoid any potential billing hassles. Also noticed the provided label says "RMA: BETA HUB"
Today, I also happened to spot that the Insteon Hub is supposed to now be compatible with the free Insteon HouseLinc PC software, figured I'd give it a try. After getting past some rough edges and dead-end attempts, turns out it's quite easy to get the hub recognized, if you make the menu selection seen below.


Here's a full video walk-through, but skip ahead to 8 minutes 30 seconds in if you just want to see the part where I succeed.
Not sure what benefits I'll be getting out using HousLinc (again), since the Insteon for Hub smarthome app is already meeting my needs. I should probably try CastleOS as well, someday.
Jun. 23 2013 Update:
Insteon Smoke Bridge 2982-222 works, and works well. Video footage of the unboxing, linking, and testing will all be published in upcoming articles. Also covered will be the Insteon Water Leak Sensor 2852-222. See also TinkerTry.com/first-alert-onelink.
Jun. 25 2013 Update:
Video of the Smoke Bridge now added to TinkerTry.com/first-alert-onelink.
Jun. 28 2013 Update:
Still finding that once in a while, the Insteon for Hub mobile app forgets to remember my login credentials. Not a big deal, just an annoyance, just type them in and I'm back in action.
Jul. 14 2013 Update:
Excellent overview and video of the Insteon Hub over at insteon.com here.
Jul. 29 2013 Update:
Very complimentary and complementary podcast, where this article is discussed, now available here:
Podcast: The BYOB Podcast
Episode: BYOB Episode 127
Starting From: 01:36
http://pcasts.in/cj0O
Jul. 30 2013 Update:
Wow, yet another very complimentary and complementary podcast, where this article is discussed, now available here:
Podcast: Home: On from The Digital Media Zone
Episode: Home: On #005 – Getting Started, with Mike Faucher
Starting From: 19:42
http://pcasts.in/vEhH
Really good points made as Richard and Mike contrast the Insteon Hub (lower cost of entry, no monthly fees) with the Lowe's Iris (higher up front cost, monthly bill of $0 or $9.99, depending upon your needs). I'm glad that more competition and product is actually making it into the world of retail. It's about time.
Jun. 12 2014 Update:
If you are an original Insteon Hub owner from Dec 2012, you may be affected a notice, read the article to determine if it applies to you:
support.insteon.com/customer/portal/articles/1510932
If it does apply, call in and get your hub replaced, no charge.
My own Insteon Hub was replaced back in May 2013, and it's been mostly smooth sailing ever since. I only have some sluggishness when I leave several modules unplugged that the app is still trying to see.
Big recent news is the release of the Insteon for Hub universal Windows app release, trying it on my Windows 8.1 system tonight actually. Then there's news that Microsoft is selling Insteon gear now, seen here already:

All Comments on This Article (42)
I just purchased and received a hub from SmartHome and it arrived as 2242-222. When I called Insteon and asked about model 2242-224 or 2242-222R, I was told there are no such model numbers. There is only one model hub and it is 2242-222 and it is supposed to be dual band. Do you think they are putting me on?
hi all
does anyone know how I go about using the hub my multiple phones/tablets ie I really need to have my ipad and my wifes ipod connected at the same time.
thanks
Thanks for your reply Paul! This afternoon I will try to perform these actions and check wether I success or not. I will come to you with my results ;)
Thanks again!
Josep, thank you for visiting!
The INSTEON Forum:
http://www.smarthome.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=9
or simply calling their help center:
http://www.smarthome.com/contactus.html
866-243-8022 for INSTEON support (not sure if available worldwide, not sure where you are)
will likely get you going in the right direction. Their support staff is quite good, I've found.
To me, it appears you have some clean-up needed before proceeding further.
The IP address reservations in your router are the possible key here, where you can control the IP the Hub gets by creating an entry for the hub with the mac address from the sticker on the bottom. So many brands of routers, but the basic idea outlined here:
http://lifehacker.com/5822605/how-to-set-up-dhcp-reservations-so-you-never-have-to-check-an-ip-address-again
But the 3 IPs leftover from previous configuration attempts will still need cleanup in the account, and it's possible deleting the INSTEON account once will nuke all 3, not sure, worth trying.
Let us know how it goes!
Hi Paul,
First at all, thanks for such a great post! I'm starting with my own Insteon adventure and now I've got a Insteon Hub together with a micro module dimmer. The thing is that, when I attach the Hub to my router, it is showing me an IP that is not associated to the right MAC address of my Hub. Apparently, by checking the URL https://www.connect.insteon.com/getinfo.asp, it shows me 3 different addresses. How can I force the router to get the right one?
In addition, I performed a reset over the deveice without deleting my account previously. There is anyway of doing it now?
Thanks
Thanks, Aaron!
Sorry, haven't used Mi Casaverde, but I hope upcoming podcasts related to home automation will cover this, see also
http://www.tinkertry.com/byob125/ for more details.
Hi guys. I learned about your site (and this device) from your recent appearance on the BYOB podcast. I've been considering doing home automation for a few years now and I'm considering getting started when my wife and I land our new place. The issue is I'm having difficulty picking a central controller. This sounded like an interesting product from what you were talking about on the show, but how does it compare to something like the Mi Casaverde 3? I keep coming back to the Mi Casa as this device is cloud based and as anyone who bought the Boxee Cloud DVR can tell you that cloud service could vanish at any time leaving you with an expensive brick. The only issue is I've not seen a good comparison of the two. Anyone have experience with both devices?
hm - maybe I'll do some research on the isy99 - obviously I need on/off functionality.
thanks for all the great articles!
Well, the 2412N had a lot of web screens, with good functionality, although it was also a pretty terrible interface design. It sure seems most of the INSTEON Hub web UI is hidden and poorly documented (and basic on off didnt' seem to work). They really seem to want you go probably do the developer thing, and hook to this INSTEON Hub in the manner that HouseLinc and castleos.com apparently have, for a shot at getting access to all those functions. I'm just speculating here, and I value your challenging me. I have no authority or knowledge to really adequately weigh in on what you're asking, but I'm taking a stab at it anyway!
I suppose I could just put a link to the internal web server you're showing on my current control web site or maybe just put it in an iframe. Do you lose any functionality by using the hub's internal web server you show in pics 5 and 6 towards the beginning of the post?
We currently have ios, android, and windows devices so it's much easier to control everything from a web site.
We did it!
http://TinkerTry.com/byob125
Not sure, but sounds intriguing!
Well, there is the "cloud" authenticated way to get into your hub, such as
http://connect.insteon.com/
here's the URL for a device, with On Off displayed, for example:
http://connect.insteon.com/Home/Control/49517?scene=False
but it's beta, and doesn't seem to actually allow me to operate the on off button with my mouse.
The local controls are totally hidden, if they are there at all, pictured below.
Hope this helps/encourages you? Perhaps engage with smarthome.com folks as a developer?
Paul,
Do you know if it's possible to send IP commands to this device? I found this:
http://www.leftovercode.info/smartlinc.html
but this is for the older 2414.
I'm asking because I currently control all my audio video gear via a web page running on a web server in a program called eventghost.
I would like to figure out a way to bridge my current eventghost setup with insteon.
Cool, glad to hear the cameras work well. Hope you've also checked out these related posts, as there may be more podcasts or articles about this coming up later this summer!
Superguide: INSTEON Home Automation
TinkerTry featured on BYOB Episode 125 "Home Automation"
So thanks to you I ended up grabbing this insteon hub with a couple cameras as well. It was very easy to setup and get going. It took barely any time.
I also ended up throwing iSpy Connect on my home server to record from the cameras whenever there is motion. So far everything is working great.
Nice, thank you!
I was able to bypass password by logging into connect.insteon.com first, then could go directly to the hub (ip:port). bypassed login. almost like logging into connect.insteon.com authorized my laptop to talk to the hub.
That was a short backorder, on Wed 5/15/2013 10:37pm eastern, got this email notifying me the new hub has shipped:
Very helpful, thank you!
To help alleviate the annoyance factor here, they offered (without me asking) to throw in one of these too, when I was placing the order Monday May 13 2013:
http://www.smarthome.com/2852-222/INSTEON-Leak-Sensor/p.aspx
I said yes! Since it's on a 3 day backorder, they automatically arranged to ship that separately.
Then, yesterday, on Tuesday May 14 2013, I got an email letting me know my 2242-224 (new model number) Insteon Hub is also backordered.
Paul,
I also didn't recieve the email about the tradein program. My concern was no password on the web ui so when I noticed satman's post of " It seems they have locked down direct web access now." and saw the new firmware I called smarthome to figure out if it was field upgradeable as the UI has a firmware upgrade section. That's how I found out about it. All in all for the price the hub is decent but lacks some more advance programming and scheduling. I wish I went for an ISY device which I'll most likely do after I sell the hub.
Lastly for those out there who want to integrate the cameras with the hub those cameras are just foscam's so save yourself some money and buy when they're on sale at foscam.us. I have several cameras which were working with the insteon app but I found it to be terribly slow so I went back to old faithful ipcamviewer which rocks.
Awesome, thank you so much JPMJR!
On the phone with Smarthome right now, and yes, they agree with you, there is a trade-in program, I'll be getting the dual-band unit in the mail.
They said the email about this trade-in program went out about 6 weeks ago to all Smarthome customers, yet somehow, I never saw it (I get 2-3 emails from them per week, right up through 3 days ago). Any chance you could forward a copy of the email (if you have a copy), to my paul.braren at tinkertry dot com email address?
I'll have to reprogram all my devices and timers, which doesn't sound terribly fun, but waiting possibly many more weeks for one that comes pre-programmed by Smarthome (ready to replace my hub as is) sounded even less appealing.
I should probably make a separate new post about this trade-in experience soon, thanks again JPMJR!
Just called smart home and there's a an upgrade program that you can take advantage of to get the latest insteon hub. You just put a deposit on your cc and they'll ship you out a new hub. then return your old hub with the RMA they give you and they'll credit you back. My major concern is the web ui doesn't have a password on it. Not the biggest deal as the hub is in my dmz so they'll just get access to my lights.
screenshot of same nslookup output sample:
Ah, so they've revved the hardware, time for me to revisit/research. Good to hear you found a way in, "satman".
Thank you so much, for all the information you've added, extremely valuable to my many readers, of this particularly popular article!
For what it's worth, I too was worried about reliability, but it's gotten pretty decent these past 2 months, with no more clock drift annoyance of the 2412N, and automatic daylight savings time. So less frequent fiddling with it manually. Their web site is apparently using AWS (Amazon Web Services), which should help with keeping them highly available, but no idea how long it'll take before a breach.
Here's an nslookup output sample:
C:\>nslookup connect.insteon.com
Server: google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address: 8.8.8.8
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: lb-connect-insteon-com-503033429.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com
Addresses: 23.23.193.190
23.23.107.7
Aliases: connect.insteon.com
C:\>
That didn't take long. It seems that the user is "admin" and the password is the hub's Insteon ID. The index.htm is no longer a room listing, but all room and network setup pages are available. I also just discovered that the user and password are available and can be set via the SETTINGS>HOUSE menu in the iphone app.
Thanks Paul. That's disappointing. I just bought the hub a week ago. Via the "Settings>House" menu in the phone app I have determined that I have PLM 9C and version 4.8A Feb 08 2013. It seems they have locked down direct web access now. That was really a selling point for me since I'm not a fan of relying completely on a company to provide me with access to my own devices. Given that the Insteon server has to access the hub on that port and authentication is not SSL encrypted I may have to do a little work to see if I can dig anything up. I'll report back if I figure anything out.
Ah, sorry about that. Well, for local access, my:
http://10.10.1.6:8822
login doesn't ask for any credentials at all, I get right in, from any browser, even in incognito mode. I wonder if you have a different firmware than mine? Hard to know, since you cannot get to your equivalent to this page:
http://10.10.1.6:8822/network.html
to see what firmware you're at, mine is still:
PLM Version:9BFirmware Version:4.3A Build Oct 30 2012
I can log into the portal just fine. I'm trying to log in to the hub's web interface via my local network at the hub's ip and port. It prompts for authentication, but nothing I've tried has worked.
Hmm, that is strange, as those are the credentials I use, the same exact credentials I used on the iPhone app. Just tested it, still able to login to my http://connect.insteon.com portal just fine. I'm stumped, sorry satman!
Thanks for the writeup Paul. Regarding direct browser access, what login credentials did you use? I've tried the credentials from the Insteon account I created at install, but they don't work.
For what it's worth, the last few days have been smooth sailing, with no issues with any lights turning on at dusk, and off at midnight or dawn. Time will tell.
Thank you, TheGuy, for the feedback from other OSs that I haven't tested, very much appreciated.
I have also been an early adopter and have had the chance to work it from both my iPad and my Galaxy SIII Android phone. I have experienced the same issues discussed here and before I forget to mention it; you can link in via the WEB as well. Use : https://connect.insteon.com
I have had a bunch of issues when I tried to schedule device and scenes and had to give up on scenes to only schedule via devices. I have a number of these devices around the house and for the most part they now work. I do have the kitchen light that comes on in the morning and I have not been able to stop it. It’s not programmed anywhere, but it continues to come on in the morning around 7am; every day.
I look forward to version 2 of this, as the current version is so-so. But I like the concept, and it does get the job done. I still recommend it.
App version on android 1.2.1
Android version 4.1.1 (jelly bean)
App version on iPad 1.2.0
iOS ver: 5.1.1 (yes it’s an original one)
My wife use it on her iPhone…
I have also
been an early adopter and have had the chance to work it from both my iPad and
my Galaxy SIII Android phone. I have
experienced the same issues discussed here and before I forget to mention it;
you can link in via the WEB as well. Use
: https://connect.insteon.com
I have had
a bunch of issues when I tried to schedule device and scenes and had to give up
on scenes to only schedule via devices.
I have a number of these devices around the house and for the most part
they now work. I do have the kitchen
light that comes on in the morning and I have not been able to stop it. It’s not programmed anywhere, but it
continues to come on in the morning around 7am; every day.
I look
forward to version 2 of this, as the current version is so-so. But I like the concept, and it does get the job
done. I still recommend it.
App version
on android 1.2.1
Android
version 4.1.1 (jelly bean)
App version
on iPad 1.2.0
iOS ver:
5.1.1 (yes it’s an original one)
My wife use
it on her iPhone…
http://www.insteon.net/dear-insteon-hub-owner.html
Letter from INSTEON/Smarthome
Enjoyed your video, Paul. I just set up my Insteon Hub yesterday. I ordered it with some Insteon LampLinc modules and an ApplianceLinc module to replace my old X10 modules. (X10 was giving me problems.) For years I've used X10 modules to control all of the electric Christmas candles in our home's many windows. For some reason many of the candles refused to go on or off, so I had to (gasp!) unplug them manually. I heard Insteon's dual-band mesh network technology is superior, so decided to finally spring for it.
I'm a Macintosh user and I have two routers. One is an Airport Extreme, which is bridged to my main router. I discovered I can't use a bridged router with the Insteon Hub, so I had to connect it to my main router which is an Apple Time Capsule. Apple routers don't do UPnP and I don't know anything about port forwarding, so I got AppleCare tech support on the phone and then 3-way conferenced with Smarthome tech support. (Who says Macs are easy?) The three of us got it working in less time than it took to wait for the Smarthome tech to answer my call.
I felt your pain when I watched your video! As soon as I saw you plug the Hub into a multiple outlet strip I knew you were headed for trouble. Hah! Well, the Smarthome tech told me today that the INSTEON for Hub iPhone app should be available in a week or so. Let's hope so!
Hey "Trip", I re-shared your comment here too:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/108099269416006256371/posts/5QQwkFsX3o7
Thank you so much for taking the time to pitch in, and add your story, which helps site visitors a great deal.
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It seems we're all hoping for Smarthome to get past these early adopter issues, for a more automated experience....
Thank you for sharing, Pltng, much appreciated. I too sincerely hope their cloud/smartphone/hub firmware coders know what they're doing!
Thx Paul for being another 'early dopter'. I am 'home testing' the Hub for a client due to install in 7 days. I simulated 2 power failures (30 mins. and 8 hrs.) and found the Hub to be unresponsive when back online - both local control and scheduling. Talked w/ Steve @ gold support and disabled schedules (delete all days and updatge), then re-enable schedule days as needed. Works! But, must I disclose this to my clients? Hope the upgrade you mention works. Don't want to marry another nag.
Thanks Paul, you just fixed my biggest problem with Scheduling tonight! I've had this new hub since just before Christmas and it's been very frustrating to setup (I believe the hub works well, it's mostly the bug ridden IOS app). That could have been me in your video! I never could get the Scene Scheduling Time to take, my choice was only 0:00, Sunset or Sunrise, no matter what time I changed it to, it always revert back to zeros. I just took my iPhone off of 24hr time and voila! It's now working! Thanks for posting the fixes coming, can't wait!
I'm no expert (very basic stuff here), but yeah, that does sound like fun!
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If you're talking to their tech support folks, they seem to have been very knowledgeable whenever I've had to call. I would say it's pretty safe to say that they changed their whole product line over the the revised dual band many months ago, and that it's doubtful you should worry. I really do appreciate this heads-up though, which will likely help others as well